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<blockquote data-quote="p238shooter" data-source="post: 3114206" data-attributes="member: 24583"><p>I see two sides to this that are conflicting. One, following our constitution is very important and necessary for the US to survive. But like freedom of speech, you should not yell "Fire" when there is none.</p><p></p><p>Some idiot standing on a street corner spewing out speech you do not agree with can be ignored. Some idiot standing on a street corner capable of spewing out lead you do not agree with can be a problem. </p><p></p><p>2A, every one should have the right to carry a firearm, but I have to add my opinion of something that makes the gray area "If they are competent to do that" which falls into "who decides?" Many people are not capable of being responsible enough to take the time to learn to carry safely, hell we see that with some people that currently have a SDA frequently. </p><p></p><p>We should also realize most people will not take the time to read the laws we have on the books that we will still have to follow, like some existing no gun zones that can get us into FED trouble. Joe Blow may not be aware that pulling into a midnight drive to drop a letter off at the Post Office puts him into jeopardy. Not likely a problem, but. To me there is a difference knowing I am driving 72 in a 65 zone, I consciously make the decision to break the law by choice. He may not take the time to pay attention to what the law is, (what's that saying ignorance of the law does not get you out of the ticket or something like that? </p><p></p><p>Not everyone takes the time or has the ability to think about you can get P'sed of at someone about something, but the firearm you are carrying should be the last thing you think about to resolve the issue. </p><p></p><p>So it is a mix of things and a mix of people that many have grown up without much common sense, but I definitely do not think there should be a "special fee" for a license to carry a firearm." No more than a special fee to land one of my planes at an airport or have my DL license number start with an M because I have shown I am competent to ride a motorcycle. (Pulling up on my 1972 H-2 Kawasaki with slightly baffled expansion chambers to exhibit my competency kinda gave me an automatic pass, he did not want to follow me around the block). Cost me nothing extra and that is not even an amendment to the constitution. </p><p></p><p>Used to, you had total freedom of speech to spew out stupid stuff, but you also had to be aware you might have a black eye in the morning if you threw out too much stupid stuff in the wrong direction. </p><p></p><p>At a minimum providing an SDA safety training to get anyone to a competency level should be a free public service provided by our state for anyone legal with the feds. Not everyone who picks up a firearm is "safe" the first time even though it my be their 2A right.</p><p></p><p>I think I will just stand by for now and see what happens next.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="p238shooter, post: 3114206, member: 24583"] I see two sides to this that are conflicting. One, following our constitution is very important and necessary for the US to survive. But like freedom of speech, you should not yell "Fire" when there is none. Some idiot standing on a street corner spewing out speech you do not agree with can be ignored. Some idiot standing on a street corner capable of spewing out lead you do not agree with can be a problem. 2A, every one should have the right to carry a firearm, but I have to add my opinion of something that makes the gray area "If they are competent to do that" which falls into "who decides?" Many people are not capable of being responsible enough to take the time to learn to carry safely, hell we see that with some people that currently have a SDA frequently. We should also realize most people will not take the time to read the laws we have on the books that we will still have to follow, like some existing no gun zones that can get us into FED trouble. Joe Blow may not be aware that pulling into a midnight drive to drop a letter off at the Post Office puts him into jeopardy. Not likely a problem, but. To me there is a difference knowing I am driving 72 in a 65 zone, I consciously make the decision to break the law by choice. He may not take the time to pay attention to what the law is, (what's that saying ignorance of the law does not get you out of the ticket or something like that? Not everyone takes the time or has the ability to think about you can get P'sed of at someone about something, but the firearm you are carrying should be the last thing you think about to resolve the issue. So it is a mix of things and a mix of people that many have grown up without much common sense, but I definitely do not think there should be a "special fee" for a license to carry a firearm." No more than a special fee to land one of my planes at an airport or have my DL license number start with an M because I have shown I am competent to ride a motorcycle. (Pulling up on my 1972 H-2 Kawasaki with slightly baffled expansion chambers to exhibit my competency kinda gave me an automatic pass, he did not want to follow me around the block). Cost me nothing extra and that is not even an amendment to the constitution. Used to, you had total freedom of speech to spew out stupid stuff, but you also had to be aware you might have a black eye in the morning if you threw out too much stupid stuff in the wrong direction. At a minimum providing an SDA safety training to get anyone to a competency level should be a free public service provided by our state for anyone legal with the feds. Not everyone who picks up a firearm is "safe" the first time even though it my be their 2A right. I think I will just stand by for now and see what happens next. [/QUOTE]
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