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<blockquote data-quote="RidgeHunter" data-source="post: 690887" data-attributes="member: 4319"><p>Well, sounds like it is not the hunt for you then. You are the only person I have ever heard have a negative opinion of MCAAP and I have talked to 100's of hunters there. I've known people who have been going since the early 80's and still get excited about it. </p><p></p><p>As far as the "stupid rules" Well, it is a US Military BOMB FACTORY. Ever go to a courthouse, airport etc. where items are prohibited? We should just be damn lucky they let 275 camoflauged rednecks creep around it for 2 months a year. I know for a fact Bill Starry has had a fight on his hands several times with the gov't wanting to discontinue the hunts.</p><p>Same for the restricted areas, again it's a military bomb factory, not a water plant. I had a stand withing sight of a dry pad loaded down with 1,000 pound bombs (saw deer from it too). I just find it surreal they let us in there like that at all.</p><p>(I can also tell you first hand if you accidentally realize you have some 'contraband' (within reason, IE your primers) on you and turn it over you will probably not go to jail. You won't get a pat on the back and a cookie, but you probably won't go to jail.<img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> Not that hard to clean your truck beforehand though.</p><p></p><p>As far as the deer population/quality etc. I won't say much because it speaks for itsef IMO. Nearing in on a 1:1 buck-doe ratio IIRC, 17 P&Y bucks killed in one season last year (1 grosssed 200"+) etc. etc.</p><p>Me and the 2 other guys I put in with have seen deer in range from stand every day we have hunted there, save for maybe 1 or 2. And were far from great hunters.</p><p>My dad also had 3 bucks 160"+ inside of 25 yards in one weekend about 7 years ago. All from the ground.</p><p>All 4 people in our truck had several shot ops or missed last time, in the heat. (But I won't put in for an early hunt again ever. The heat sucked in that brushy, tick filled place). I would rather not go than go in 95 degree weather again.</p><p></p><p>The harvest is low because 99% of drawees only pick up a trad bow when they get drawn, don't practice and are not efficient. The 1% of skilled hunters are very selective. Plus it is dang hard to get withing trad bow range of a deer anyways.</p><p>They also DO NOT need to allow compounds. They harvest number would increase tenfold, as would applicants. They would have to limit the tags from 275 a weekend to like 20 just to keep buck harvest in check, so it would be near impossible to draw.</p><p>(Trad bows are just as humane as anything else, a razor through both lungs will kill anything that walks the earth quickly).</p><p></p><p>The thing I will agree with you on is the land management. That place DESPERATELY need to burn, you are 100% right about that, but I guess bombs everywhere kinda limit where they can burn.<img src="/images/smilies/lookaround.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lookaroun" title="Lookaround :lookaroun" data-shortname=":lookaroun" /></p><p></p><p>Different strokes for different folks though. I once begged and begged to get on a lease I thought would be deer hunting heaven. Tons of huge bucks, lots of land, trail cam pics out the yin-yang, people killing several monsters a year etc. Once I finally got on it I thought it sucked. I just flat out did not enjoy hunting there, didn't like the terrain, hunting style or anything.</p><p>A guy killed a B&C buck within 1/8th mile of where I was hunting that first year, but I still got off the lease. I would much rather hunt my normal 90 pound little East Oklahoma Ozark deer than hunt that lease.</p><p>So I can can understand not liking a place everyone else loves.</p><p></p><p>What area did you hunt and what time of year?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RidgeHunter, post: 690887, member: 4319"] Well, sounds like it is not the hunt for you then. You are the only person I have ever heard have a negative opinion of MCAAP and I have talked to 100's of hunters there. I've known people who have been going since the early 80's and still get excited about it. As far as the "stupid rules" Well, it is a US Military BOMB FACTORY. Ever go to a courthouse, airport etc. where items are prohibited? We should just be damn lucky they let 275 camoflauged rednecks creep around it for 2 months a year. I know for a fact Bill Starry has had a fight on his hands several times with the gov't wanting to discontinue the hunts. Same for the restricted areas, again it's a military bomb factory, not a water plant. I had a stand withing sight of a dry pad loaded down with 1,000 pound bombs (saw deer from it too). I just find it surreal they let us in there like that at all. (I can also tell you first hand if you accidentally realize you have some 'contraband' (within reason, IE your primers) on you and turn it over you will probably not go to jail. You won't get a pat on the back and a cookie, but you probably won't go to jail.:) Not that hard to clean your truck beforehand though. As far as the deer population/quality etc. I won't say much because it speaks for itsef IMO. Nearing in on a 1:1 buck-doe ratio IIRC, 17 P&Y bucks killed in one season last year (1 grosssed 200"+) etc. etc. Me and the 2 other guys I put in with have seen deer in range from stand every day we have hunted there, save for maybe 1 or 2. And were far from great hunters. My dad also had 3 bucks 160"+ inside of 25 yards in one weekend about 7 years ago. All from the ground. All 4 people in our truck had several shot ops or missed last time, in the heat. (But I won't put in for an early hunt again ever. The heat sucked in that brushy, tick filled place). I would rather not go than go in 95 degree weather again. The harvest is low because 99% of drawees only pick up a trad bow when they get drawn, don't practice and are not efficient. The 1% of skilled hunters are very selective. Plus it is dang hard to get withing trad bow range of a deer anyways. They also DO NOT need to allow compounds. They harvest number would increase tenfold, as would applicants. They would have to limit the tags from 275 a weekend to like 20 just to keep buck harvest in check, so it would be near impossible to draw. (Trad bows are just as humane as anything else, a razor through both lungs will kill anything that walks the earth quickly). The thing I will agree with you on is the land management. That place DESPERATELY need to burn, you are 100% right about that, but I guess bombs everywhere kinda limit where they can burn.:lookaroun Different strokes for different folks though. I once begged and begged to get on a lease I thought would be deer hunting heaven. Tons of huge bucks, lots of land, trail cam pics out the yin-yang, people killing several monsters a year etc. Once I finally got on it I thought it sucked. I just flat out did not enjoy hunting there, didn't like the terrain, hunting style or anything. A guy killed a B&C buck within 1/8th mile of where I was hunting that first year, but I still got off the lease. I would much rather hunt my normal 90 pound little East Oklahoma Ozark deer than hunt that lease. So I can can understand not liking a place everyone else loves. What area did you hunt and what time of year? [/QUOTE]
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