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<blockquote data-quote="tulsamal" data-source="post: 2180880" data-attributes="member: 571"><p>I agree that the amount of ammo expended seems reasonable considering the number of armed agents. 100 rounds a month is hardly a large amount of practice. Now whether there are too many of them and what they do... I would have to hear some more explanations.</p><p></p><p>As far as the Army, I was in a combat MOS and I never thought we got to shoot enough ammo. (85-93.) We got to fire a couple of short bursts of full auto in Basic to see how it worked. As far as the M16 goes, I never got to fire it full auto again. All full auto fire was with a Grease Gun, M60, M249, M2 and one time on a Vulcan cannon. Considering the amount of combat in the last 12 years, I'm sure that sort of training has improved.</p><p></p><p>This is going to sound like some crazy civilian idea but, looking back on my service, I wish my unit would have done some paintball training. Maybe state of the art wasn't as advanced back then but I've recently done some woodland paintball games and it was the closest I've come to real force on force training. I've done some training before on clearing a building. Door by door, room by room. But my heart has never pumped as hard as when I did it in this paintball castle. I had already taken a couple of hits and I knew the darn things hurt. And getting shot in there was going to be up close and full auto. It wasn't the same thing as worrying about getting killed but it did really sharpen the training in a way that was new to me.</p><p></p><p>Finally, I think this whole DHS ammo thing has been blown WAY out of proportion. At some point, we start to believe our own propaganda. I was visiting my 72 year old Dad this weekend. He asked me how the ammo situation was up in the Tulsa area. I told him it was still really hard to find most things. Or really expensive. (I also told him it didn't really matter to me because I was prepared before this all started.) I told Dad that the only really frustrating part is the way .22 LR disappears. How people stand there at WM as it is unloaded and buy it all. How places like Midway and Brownell's have none to ship and won't take backorders. Dad listened to all this and then told me the whole thing was "caused by the government buying up all the ammo to create a shortage for civilians." I looked at him for a minute and then asked him if he really thought DHS was buying up billions of rounds of .22 LR?? He had to admit that was unlikely... but he still thinks its a government conspiracy. Somehow.</p><p></p><p>Gregg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tulsamal, post: 2180880, member: 571"] I agree that the amount of ammo expended seems reasonable considering the number of armed agents. 100 rounds a month is hardly a large amount of practice. Now whether there are too many of them and what they do... I would have to hear some more explanations. As far as the Army, I was in a combat MOS and I never thought we got to shoot enough ammo. (85-93.) We got to fire a couple of short bursts of full auto in Basic to see how it worked. As far as the M16 goes, I never got to fire it full auto again. All full auto fire was with a Grease Gun, M60, M249, M2 and one time on a Vulcan cannon. Considering the amount of combat in the last 12 years, I'm sure that sort of training has improved. This is going to sound like some crazy civilian idea but, looking back on my service, I wish my unit would have done some paintball training. Maybe state of the art wasn't as advanced back then but I've recently done some woodland paintball games and it was the closest I've come to real force on force training. I've done some training before on clearing a building. Door by door, room by room. But my heart has never pumped as hard as when I did it in this paintball castle. I had already taken a couple of hits and I knew the darn things hurt. And getting shot in there was going to be up close and full auto. It wasn't the same thing as worrying about getting killed but it did really sharpen the training in a way that was new to me. Finally, I think this whole DHS ammo thing has been blown WAY out of proportion. At some point, we start to believe our own propaganda. I was visiting my 72 year old Dad this weekend. He asked me how the ammo situation was up in the Tulsa area. I told him it was still really hard to find most things. Or really expensive. (I also told him it didn't really matter to me because I was prepared before this all started.) I told Dad that the only really frustrating part is the way .22 LR disappears. How people stand there at WM as it is unloaded and buy it all. How places like Midway and Brownell's have none to ship and won't take backorders. Dad listened to all this and then told me the whole thing was "caused by the government buying up all the ammo to create a shortage for civilians." I looked at him for a minute and then asked him if he really thought DHS was buying up billions of rounds of .22 LR?? He had to admit that was unlikely... but he still thinks its a government conspiracy. Somehow. Gregg [/QUOTE]
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