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<blockquote data-quote="nofearfactor" data-source="post: 2698598" data-attributes="member: 1535"><p>Since I got the shoulder holsters and its winter the bravest I have gotten so far to get even close to OCing has been when we're out and if I decide to take off my jacket. BOOM. Everybody sees it then, and to me it feels like a neon sign but I know thats just my own paranoia over it because Im sure most people in OK/mid west US are just not that freaked out to see a guy with a gun hanging in a shoulder strap under his jacket. I might get some quick glance stares but thats usually about it. They also surely have to know by my appearance that Im also definitely no cop, not even an undercover would look as weird as me. </p><p></p><p>Where Im from seeing a guy who looks like me with an open carried GUN would be about the trippiest thing you would ever see, but in OK I feel that most people around herr have at least grown up around A gun or lots of guns for a lot of folks and it just doesnt seem that it would be the elephant in the room here as it would be where Im from in the little hippy berg of Sonora in northern CA. I suppose if a thug does see me who is about to rob the restaurant where I might be at then I dont know for sure but I would like to hope that he would wait until I leave or decide not to do it ar all- or just shoot me or at me right off the bat to get the ball rollin on his crimes, and give people the chance to get the F out. Im 5'10" x 275 and I would make an easy target for most casual shooters to hit. </p><p></p><p>Which brings up my the biggest question and probably some peoples worst fear(s). What is my responsibility and liability concerns if and when Im in the middle of a robbery while open carrying and the worst if Im actually shot at? (I took my CC class 12 years ago in OK and the guy leading it was very informative but our class went by pretty quick plus Im getting older so I may need to go over things from time to time). As an ex fighter Im not that timid and I do drill for scenarios so it would not be a problem mentally at all for me to shoot back- I just would need to make sure if I do that I hit the bad guy only. Hopefully someone has already called 911 and help is on the way, so the incident is hopefully not going to last very long but Im not going to count on that. Should I return fire ASAP? Do I have a responsibility to help these people in this restaurant get to safety by being the good guy with the gun? </p><p></p><p>By shooting back at a bad guy who just shot at me, in a restaurant or wherever, if I am physically able to shoot back, I always conceal carry loaded with JHP only and I know hollow point is different than FMJ when it enters the body but dont know what it does when it hits walls or other objects or maybe hitting someone else in the place. If a bullet or a fragment of something hits some innocent party in the restaurant besides the bad guy(s), am I to blame for it? I dont shoot comps, never been military or LEO but was raised by an ex Marine ex MP ex cop, I practice shoot for SD/HD and while I go out frequently Im not too scientific or solid in a certain routine. My vision is excellant/20-20 and from 25ft or so at the range or down at the farm I can hit stuff pretty decent but I am 100% no championship calibre shooter at all. I dont practice head shots on my paper targets, maybe one or two at the end, but usually I just practice shooting to the upper torso and arms mostly, I have always figured a head shot from even a short distance was for much better shooters, or at close range which then actually it should be unnecessary if the danger has been stopped by then with no need for a head shot. A head shot after body shot(s) would seem to me to a DA even in an SD/HD situation like over kill. </p><p></p><p>I know youre supposed to think about all of this **** way before and every time you strap on, and I do, but you still have to have questions, and you still have to question your self, no matter who you are. I am a confident type of person but not overly confident I hope. Ive been a fighter and have faced opponents in the ring and have experienced that rush of adreniline and rush of fear that overcomes you and makes your heart beat fast and your stomach sick- but have never been in a gun or knife fight. (I got shot at once in the parking lot of a bar but it barely hit me in my left arm and then went on to hit my friend right next to me in the neck). I would hope I could take my fighting spirit learned in my boxing and martial arts to a gun or knife fight and not freeze up or get too scared to react, but I dont know for sure unless Im actually in a situation. I am physically prepared to go gun to gun or knife to knife or hand to hand or whatever it takes to take on an opponent bent on causing me or my family harm or death, and I hope mentally as well. Helping other people though not related to me in danger is a whole nother level with a lot of variables that are just not easily controlled.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nofearfactor, post: 2698598, member: 1535"] Since I got the shoulder holsters and its winter the bravest I have gotten so far to get even close to OCing has been when we're out and if I decide to take off my jacket. BOOM. Everybody sees it then, and to me it feels like a neon sign but I know thats just my own paranoia over it because Im sure most people in OK/mid west US are just not that freaked out to see a guy with a gun hanging in a shoulder strap under his jacket. I might get some quick glance stares but thats usually about it. They also surely have to know by my appearance that Im also definitely no cop, not even an undercover would look as weird as me. Where Im from seeing a guy who looks like me with an open carried GUN would be about the trippiest thing you would ever see, but in OK I feel that most people around herr have at least grown up around A gun or lots of guns for a lot of folks and it just doesnt seem that it would be the elephant in the room here as it would be where Im from in the little hippy berg of Sonora in northern CA. I suppose if a thug does see me who is about to rob the restaurant where I might be at then I dont know for sure but I would like to hope that he would wait until I leave or decide not to do it ar all- or just shoot me or at me right off the bat to get the ball rollin on his crimes, and give people the chance to get the F out. Im 5'10" x 275 and I would make an easy target for most casual shooters to hit. Which brings up my the biggest question and probably some peoples worst fear(s). What is my responsibility and liability concerns if and when Im in the middle of a robbery while open carrying and the worst if Im actually shot at? (I took my CC class 12 years ago in OK and the guy leading it was very informative but our class went by pretty quick plus Im getting older so I may need to go over things from time to time). As an ex fighter Im not that timid and I do drill for scenarios so it would not be a problem mentally at all for me to shoot back- I just would need to make sure if I do that I hit the bad guy only. Hopefully someone has already called 911 and help is on the way, so the incident is hopefully not going to last very long but Im not going to count on that. Should I return fire ASAP? Do I have a responsibility to help these people in this restaurant get to safety by being the good guy with the gun? By shooting back at a bad guy who just shot at me, in a restaurant or wherever, if I am physically able to shoot back, I always conceal carry loaded with JHP only and I know hollow point is different than FMJ when it enters the body but dont know what it does when it hits walls or other objects or maybe hitting someone else in the place. If a bullet or a fragment of something hits some innocent party in the restaurant besides the bad guy(s), am I to blame for it? I dont shoot comps, never been military or LEO but was raised by an ex Marine ex MP ex cop, I practice shoot for SD/HD and while I go out frequently Im not too scientific or solid in a certain routine. My vision is excellant/20-20 and from 25ft or so at the range or down at the farm I can hit stuff pretty decent but I am 100% no championship calibre shooter at all. I dont practice head shots on my paper targets, maybe one or two at the end, but usually I just practice shooting to the upper torso and arms mostly, I have always figured a head shot from even a short distance was for much better shooters, or at close range which then actually it should be unnecessary if the danger has been stopped by then with no need for a head shot. A head shot after body shot(s) would seem to me to a DA even in an SD/HD situation like over kill. I know youre supposed to think about all of this **** way before and every time you strap on, and I do, but you still have to have questions, and you still have to question your self, no matter who you are. I am a confident type of person but not overly confident I hope. Ive been a fighter and have faced opponents in the ring and have experienced that rush of adreniline and rush of fear that overcomes you and makes your heart beat fast and your stomach sick- but have never been in a gun or knife fight. (I got shot at once in the parking lot of a bar but it barely hit me in my left arm and then went on to hit my friend right next to me in the neck). I would hope I could take my fighting spirit learned in my boxing and martial arts to a gun or knife fight and not freeze up or get too scared to react, but I dont know for sure unless Im actually in a situation. I am physically prepared to go gun to gun or knife to knife or hand to hand or whatever it takes to take on an opponent bent on causing me or my family harm or death, and I hope mentally as well. Helping other people though not related to me in danger is a whole nother level with a lot of variables that are just not easily controlled. [/QUOTE]
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