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<blockquote data-quote="OK Corgi Rancher" data-source="post: 4099893" data-attributes="member: 45773">First, I&#039;d get the idea of &quot;stopping power&quot; out of your vocabulary when you&#039;re talking about handgun calibers.&nbsp; Regardless of what you carry, you shouldn&#039;t expect your handgun to stop someone right away.&nbsp; You may not even see any visible or immediate effect on the bad guy of the shots you&#039;ve made whether you hit him or not.I carry a .380 often.&nbsp; Once you decide to engage in a gunfight you need to be all in.&nbsp; Start shooting and don&#039;t stop until the bad guy stops.&nbsp; Most people who&#039;ve been shot with handguns that I&#039;ve encountered during my LE career didn&#039;t give a rat&#039;s a55 about the caliber they were shot with.&nbsp; They mostly just didn&#039;t want to get shot any more.Your mindset is far more important than the caliber of your gun.**In the Newhall shooting, all 3 officers who fired shots were using .357 Mag revolvers.&nbsp; The CHP trained with .38Sp ammo.&nbsp; After the shooting, they standardized on training and carrying .38Sp ammo.&nbsp; They also stopped having officers pocket their brass when reloading along with several other changes in how to deal with potentially violent or armed suspects.&nbsp; There were only two officers on scene when the shootout started.&nbsp; Two more arrived shortly after.&nbsp; That was another lesson learned...wait for backup if you can rather than try to search/detain potentially violent suspects 1 on 1 (or in this case, 2 on 2 which is basically the same).&nbsp; That incident and the Miami shootout were (and likely still are) referred to extensively when I went thru the academy back in the 80s.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OK Corgi Rancher, post: 4099893, member: 45773"] First, I'd get the idea of "stopping power" out of your vocabulary when you're talking about handgun calibers. Regardless of what you carry, you shouldn't expect your handgun to stop someone right away. You may not even see any visible or immediate effect on the bad guy of the shots you've made whether you hit him or not. I carry a .380 often. Once you decide to engage in a gunfight you need to be all in. Start shooting and don't stop until the bad guy stops. Most people who've been shot with handguns that I've encountered during my LE career didn't give a rat's a55 about the caliber they were shot with. They mostly just didn't want to get shot any more. Your mindset is far more important than the caliber of your gun. **In the Newhall shooting, all 3 officers who fired shots were using .357 Mag revolvers. The CHP trained with .38Sp ammo. After the shooting, they standardized on training and carrying .38Sp ammo. They also stopped having officers pocket their brass when reloading along with several other changes in how to deal with potentially violent or armed suspects. There were only two officers on scene when the shootout started. Two more arrived shortly after. That was another lesson learned...wait for backup if you can rather than try to search/detain potentially violent suspects 1 on 1 (or in this case, 2 on 2 which is basically the same). That incident and the Miami shootout were (and likely still are) referred to extensively when I went thru the academy back in the 80s. [/QUOTE]

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