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<blockquote data-quote="spd67" data-source="post: 861741" data-attributes="member: 9008"><p>JHP all the way...no matter what you carry. I get so tired of hearing people say "well for a small gun like .380 you should carry FMJ." Untrue, bullet makers have been doing this for a long long time and they make quality ammo nowadays. The problem you have with FMJ ammo is that you have a small hole through and through the body and you have to rely on a heart, liver, or CNS shot so with FMJ shot placement is absolutely key, but insanely hard to do under stress or in an actual shoot situation. With JHP self defense ammo shot placement is not as important due to tissue damage, expansion, fragmentation, and wound cavity creation. There are plenty of JHP .380 ammo that will give you enough penetration for lethality, here are just a few </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/380acp.htm" target="_blank">http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/380acp.htm</a></p><p></p><p>I was able to see an OHP trooper that bought into the myth about FMJ ammo shoot a suspect 8 times with FMJ and it just went straight through him causing 8 nice and neat little holes where the bad guy was never incapacitated and the FMJ rounds were all over the place endangering the rest of the public due to over penetration. the Bad guy went to the hospital and was out before the Trooper finished his reports. Those same 8 shots with JHP ammo and we would have a dead bad guy. when you go target practice use FMJ it is cheap when you absolutely have to kill someone use JHP and accept no substitutes because your life depends on it even in .380.</p><p></p><p>And here are some more tests that have been done with .380 ammo of different brands </p><p></p><p>Many .380 and other caliber tests. </p><p><a href="http://usrange.org/smf/index.php?board=39.0" target="_blank">http://usrange.org/smf/index.php?board=39.0</a> </p><p> </p><p>OG & Friend's Ballistic Test Results </p><p><a href="http://www.ktrange.com/articles/a10/a10.html" target="_blank">http://www.ktrange.com/articles/a10/a10.html</a> </p><p> </p><p>2d Gen P-3AT Analysis Part 2 (includes wet pack test) </p><p><a href="http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4534&view=next&sid=4935fca" target="_blank">http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4534&view=next&sid=4935fca</a> fa65b7bfa384953776a49d0df </p><p> </p><p>The Last Crusade - .380 Wet Pack Test </p><p><a href="http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4791&view=next" target="_blank">http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4791&view=next</a> </p><p> </p><p>mouseguns.com - Ammunition and Ballistics </p><p><a href="http://www.mouseguns.com/amball.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mouseguns.com/amball.htm</a> </p><p>Scroll down to the .380 section. </p><p> </p><p>The Box O' Truth #26 - Little Guns vs. The Box O' Truth </p><p><a href="http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot26.htm" target="_blank">http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot26.htm</a> </p><p> </p><p>Ballistic gelatin testing results : .32NAA 90 grain Sierra JHC </p><p><a href="http://www.thehighroad.org./showthread.php?t=199435&goto=nextnewest" target="_blank">http://www.thehighroad.org./showthread.php?t=199435&goto=nextnewest</a> </p><p> </p><p>DPX/Gold Dot Raccoon test. </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148245402;start=" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148245402;start=</a> </p><p> </p><p>Head-to-head test: DPX vs. Ranger-T </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1149377730;start=" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1149377730;start=</a> </p><p> </p><p>MONSTER WET NEWS MULTI-GUN-TEST </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148670025;start=" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148670025;start=</a> </p><p> </p><p>P3AT CHEAP JHP WETPACK TEST </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166124717;start=" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166124717;start=</a> </p><p> </p><p>Smilies and Wet Newspaper Test </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1116435642;start=" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1116435642;start=</a> </p><p> </p><p>Wet Newspaper Test: Corbon DPX .380 HP </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1147392682;start=" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1147392682;start=</a> </p><p> </p><p>Wet Newspaper Test: Santa Barbara 87g. </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1123002383;start=" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1123002383;start=</a> </p><p> </p><p>Wetpack Test: DPX, GD, GS, Ranger-T, etc. </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1158344941;start=" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1158344941;start=</a> </p><p> </p><p>WINTER/SUMMER WETPACK TEST DONE </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1158537757;start=" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1158537757;start=</a> </p><p> </p><p>Fly&Og Revisit DPX with GS, GD, and more!! </p><p><a href="http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5320&postdays=0&postorder=" target="_blank">http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5320&postdays=0&postorder=</a> asc&start=0 </p><p> </p><p>More Smiley Tests with a 1G P3AT </p><p><a href="http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5725&start=0&postdays=0&am" target="_blank">http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5725&start=0&postdays=0&am</a> p;postorder=asc&highlight= </p><p> </p><p>Smileys Revisited </p><p><a href="http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5416&postdays=0&postorder=" target="_blank">http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5416&postdays=0&postorder=</a> asc&start=0 </p><p> </p><p>THE FLY AND OG .380 DPX WETPACK TEST WITH 4 PISTOLS!! </p><p><a href="http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5183&start=0&postdays=0&am" target="_blank">http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5183&start=0&postdays=0&am</a> p;postorder=asc&highlight= </p><p> </p><p>Cor-Bon .380 DPX "Wet Pack" test with LWS380 </p><p><a href="http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148012398/0" target="_blank">http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148012398/0</a> </p><p> </p><p>.380 ammo testing--DPX / GOLDEN SABRE / GOLD DOT </p><p><a href="http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166065107" target="_blank">http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166065107</a> </p><p> </p><p>Cartridge Performance: .380 ACP </p><p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/bersa_thunder/cartridges.html?20054" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/bersa_thunder/cartridges.html?20054</a> </p><p> </p><p>Selecting a .380 Cartridge </p><p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/bersa_thunder/cartridges2.html?20054" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/bersa_thunder/cartridges2.html?20054</a> </p><p> </p><p>Bersa Thunder .380 with Cor-Bon 80-gr. DPX Ammunition </p><p><a href="http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Bersa%20Thunder.htm" target="_blank">http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Bersa Thunder.htm</a> </p><p> </p><p>Brassfetcher .380 ACP Tests </p><p><a href="http://www.brassfetcher.com/380ACP.html" target="_blank">http://www.brassfetcher.com/380ACP.html</a> </p><p> </p><p>Cor-Bon .380 70 gr PowRBall </p><p><a href="http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10020" target="_blank">http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10020</a> </p><p> </p><p>Cor-Bon .380 80 gr DPX </p><p><a href="http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10021" target="_blank">http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10021</a> </p><p> </p><p>.380 ACP at StevesPages </p><p><a href="http://stevespages.com/page8f380acp.html" target="_blank">http://stevespages.com/page8f380acp.html</a> </p><p> </p><p>Preliminary .380 wet pack report for your amusement </p><p><a href="http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=232" target="_blank">http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=232</a> </p><p> </p><p>Gel test today! </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1167146283;start=" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1167146283;start=</a> </p><p> </p><p>.380 Ammunition & Barrel Lengths at recguns.com </p><p><a href="http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IVG10.html" target="_blank">http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IVG10.html</a> </p><p> </p><p>UMC JHP/ AE FMJ ACCURACY SHOOT OFF </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1169330024;start=0" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1169330024;start=0</a> </p><p> </p><p>.380ACP Federal Hydrashok in gelatin </p><p><a href="http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175606" target="_blank">http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175606</a> </p><p> </p><p>Corbon DPX .380 into newsprint </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1174574610" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1174574610</a> </p><p> </p><p>Cor-Bon DPX .380 in Ham </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1176045806" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1176045806</a> </p><p>See reply #4 </p><p> </p><p>Ballistics data - 7 hollow point velocities </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1178377727" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1178377727</a> </p><p> </p><p>9mm Versus .380 ACP For Self-Defense </p><p><a href="http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aast9mmv380a.htm" target="_blank">http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aast9mmv380a.htm</a> </p><p> </p><p>Test Results: The effect of moisture on .380 ammo </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1179005761;start=0#" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1179005761;start=0#</a> </p><p> </p><p>Dan334’s .380 ACP and 9 mm Para DPX water jug test </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1184294414" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1184294414</a> </p><p>See reply #9 </p><p> </p><p>.380 ACP Hornady 90gr XTP JHP (Beretta 85) </p><p><a href="http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/380acp/hor380-90xtp-b85.htm" target="_blank">http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/380acp/hor380-90xtp-b85.htm</a> </p><p> </p><p>.380 ACP Winchester 95gr Supreme SXT JHP (Beretta 85) </p><p><a href="http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/380acp/win380-95ssxt-b85.htm" target="_blank">http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/380acp/win380-95ssxt-b85.htm</a> </p><p> </p><p>Double-Tap .380acp GDHP wetpack test </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1185827504" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1185827504</a> </p><p> </p><p>Sweet! Double Tap .380! </p><p><a href="http://handgunsandammo.proboards36.com/index.cgi?board=calibers&action=displ" target="_blank">http://handgunsandammo.proboards36.com/index.cgi?board=calibers&action=displ</a> ay&thread=1184702603 </p><p> </p><p>.380 Gelatin Tests by John Farnam and Cor-Bon’s Mike Shovel </p><p><a href="http://defense-training.com/quips/2006/10Apr06.html" target="_blank">http://defense-training.com/quips/2006/10Apr06.html</a> </p><p> </p><p>Wetpack test: Fiocchi XTP JHP, etc. (DT_Willy) </p><p><a href="http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1188170764" target="_blank">http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1188170764</a> </p><p> </p><p>Gello tests we did here </p><p><a href="http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14504" target="_blank">http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14504</a> </p><p> </p><p>Why DoubleTap looks good </p><p><a href="http://usrange.org/smf/index.php?topic=1755.0" target="_blank">http://usrange.org/smf/index.php?topic=1755.0</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spd67, post: 861741, member: 9008"] JHP all the way...no matter what you carry. I get so tired of hearing people say "well for a small gun like .380 you should carry FMJ." Untrue, bullet makers have been doing this for a long long time and they make quality ammo nowadays. The problem you have with FMJ ammo is that you have a small hole through and through the body and you have to rely on a heart, liver, or CNS shot so with FMJ shot placement is absolutely key, but insanely hard to do under stress or in an actual shoot situation. With JHP self defense ammo shot placement is not as important due to tissue damage, expansion, fragmentation, and wound cavity creation. There are plenty of JHP .380 ammo that will give you enough penetration for lethality, here are just a few [url]http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/380acp.htm[/url] I was able to see an OHP trooper that bought into the myth about FMJ ammo shoot a suspect 8 times with FMJ and it just went straight through him causing 8 nice and neat little holes where the bad guy was never incapacitated and the FMJ rounds were all over the place endangering the rest of the public due to over penetration. the Bad guy went to the hospital and was out before the Trooper finished his reports. Those same 8 shots with JHP ammo and we would have a dead bad guy. when you go target practice use FMJ it is cheap when you absolutely have to kill someone use JHP and accept no substitutes because your life depends on it even in .380. And here are some more tests that have been done with .380 ammo of different brands Many .380 and other caliber tests. [url]http://usrange.org/smf/index.php?board=39.0[/url] OG & Friend's Ballistic Test Results [url]http://www.ktrange.com/articles/a10/a10.html[/url] 2d Gen P-3AT Analysis Part 2 (includes wet pack test) [url]http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4534&view=next&sid=4935fca[/url] fa65b7bfa384953776a49d0df The Last Crusade - .380 Wet Pack Test [url]http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4791&view=next[/url] mouseguns.com - Ammunition and Ballistics [url]http://www.mouseguns.com/amball.htm[/url] Scroll down to the .380 section. The Box O' Truth #26 - Little Guns vs. The Box O' Truth [url]http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot26.htm[/url] Ballistic gelatin testing results : .32NAA 90 grain Sierra JHC [url]http://www.thehighroad.org./showthread.php?t=199435&goto=nextnewest[/url] DPX/Gold Dot Raccoon test. [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148245402;start=[/url] Head-to-head test: DPX vs. Ranger-T [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1149377730;start=[/url] MONSTER WET NEWS MULTI-GUN-TEST [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148670025;start=[/url] P3AT CHEAP JHP WETPACK TEST [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166124717;start=[/url] Smilies and Wet Newspaper Test [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1116435642;start=[/url] Wet Newspaper Test: Corbon DPX .380 HP [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1147392682;start=[/url] Wet Newspaper Test: Santa Barbara 87g. [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1123002383;start=[/url] Wetpack Test: DPX, GD, GS, Ranger-T, etc. [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1158344941;start=[/url] WINTER/SUMMER WETPACK TEST DONE [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1158537757;start=[/url] Fly&Og Revisit DPX with GS, GD, and more!! [url]http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5320&postdays=0&postorder=[/url] asc&start=0 More Smiley Tests with a 1G P3AT [url]http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5725&start=0&postdays=0&am[/url] p;postorder=asc&highlight= Smileys Revisited [url]http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5416&postdays=0&postorder=[/url] asc&start=0 THE FLY AND OG .380 DPX WETPACK TEST WITH 4 PISTOLS!! [url]http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5183&start=0&postdays=0&am[/url] p;postorder=asc&highlight= Cor-Bon .380 DPX "Wet Pack" test with LWS380 [url]http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148012398/0[/url] .380 ammo testing--DPX / GOLDEN SABRE / GOLD DOT [url]http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166065107[/url] Cartridge Performance: .380 ACP [url]http://www.geocities.com/bersa_thunder/cartridges.html?20054[/url] Selecting a .380 Cartridge [url]http://www.geocities.com/bersa_thunder/cartridges2.html?20054[/url] Bersa Thunder .380 with Cor-Bon 80-gr. DPX Ammunition [url]http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Bersa%20Thunder.htm[/url] Brassfetcher .380 ACP Tests [url]http://www.brassfetcher.com/380ACP.html[/url] Cor-Bon .380 70 gr PowRBall [url]http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10020[/url] Cor-Bon .380 80 gr DPX [url]http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10021[/url] .380 ACP at StevesPages [url]http://stevespages.com/page8f380acp.html[/url] Preliminary .380 wet pack report for your amusement [url]http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=232[/url] Gel test today! [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1167146283;start=[/url] .380 Ammunition & Barrel Lengths at recguns.com [url]http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IVG10.html[/url] UMC JHP/ AE FMJ ACCURACY SHOOT OFF [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1169330024;start=0[/url] .380ACP Federal Hydrashok in gelatin [url]http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175606[/url] Corbon DPX .380 into newsprint [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1174574610[/url] Cor-Bon DPX .380 in Ham [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1176045806[/url] See reply #4 Ballistics data - 7 hollow point velocities [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1178377727[/url] 9mm Versus .380 ACP For Self-Defense [url]http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aast9mmv380a.htm[/url] Test Results: The effect of moisture on .380 ammo [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1179005761;start=0#[/url] Dan334’s .380 ACP and 9 mm Para DPX water jug test [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1184294414[/url] See reply #9 .380 ACP Hornady 90gr XTP JHP (Beretta 85) [url]http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/380acp/hor380-90xtp-b85.htm[/url] .380 ACP Winchester 95gr Supreme SXT JHP (Beretta 85) [url]http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/380acp/win380-95ssxt-b85.htm[/url] Double-Tap .380acp GDHP wetpack test [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1185827504[/url] Sweet! Double Tap .380! [url]http://handgunsandammo.proboards36.com/index.cgi?board=calibers&action=displ[/url] ay&thread=1184702603 .380 Gelatin Tests by John Farnam and Cor-Bon’s Mike Shovel [url]http://defense-training.com/quips/2006/10Apr06.html[/url] Wetpack test: Fiocchi XTP JHP, etc. (DT_Willy) [url]http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1188170764[/url] Gello tests we did here [url]http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14504[/url] Why DoubleTap looks good [url]http://usrange.org/smf/index.php?topic=1755.0[/url] [/QUOTE]
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