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<blockquote data-quote="DrivesGuy" data-source="post: 2065575" data-attributes="member: 24974"><p>One of his goals is to monitor a gun owner's every move. By requiring every sale to be registered, Obama is collecting information on you and me. By subverting HIPA through the Health and Human Services Administration, a veteran may not own a weapon if the VA says that Veteran is not competent to own a weapon. Obama's executive orders are an end run around the Constitution to subvert the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. Many people have never read the Federalist Papers which were published in support of the Constitution so it would be passed in 1789. Here is a sample of some of those documents:</p><p></p><p>What the Framers said about our Second Amendment</p><p>Rights to Keep and Bear Arms</p><p></p><p>“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”</p><p>- George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788</p><p></p><p>Whereas civil-rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.”</p><p>&#8211; Tench Coxe, in Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution</p><p></p><p>“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”</p><p>&#8211; Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188</p><p></p><p>If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.</p><p>&#8211; Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28</p><p></p><p>“That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms &#8230; ”</p><p>&#8211; Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)</p><p></p><p>“[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation&#8230;(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”</p><p>&#8211;James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46</p><p></p><p>“To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.”</p><p>&#8211;John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)</p><p></p><p>“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”</p><p>&#8211;Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).</p><p></p><p>“Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American&#8230;[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”</p><p>&#8211;Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.</p><p></p><p>“Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.”</p><p>&#8211;Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.</p><p></p><p>“What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.”</p><p>&#8211; Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DrivesGuy, post: 2065575, member: 24974"] One of his goals is to monitor a gun owner's every move. By requiring every sale to be registered, Obama is collecting information on you and me. By subverting HIPA through the Health and Human Services Administration, a veteran may not own a weapon if the VA says that Veteran is not competent to own a weapon. Obama's executive orders are an end run around the Constitution to subvert the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. Many people have never read the Federalist Papers which were published in support of the Constitution so it would be passed in 1789. Here is a sample of some of those documents: What the Framers said about our Second Amendment Rights to Keep and Bear Arms “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” - George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788 Whereas civil-rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” – Tench Coxe, in Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution “The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” – Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188 If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28 “That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms … ” – Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850) “[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” –James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46 “To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.” –John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788) “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.” –Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787). “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” –Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788. “Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.” –Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788. “What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” – Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356 [/QUOTE]
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