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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow" data-source="post: 1290735" data-attributes="member: 7123"><p>No they DON'T!! Incorrect. </p><p></p><p>If you have ANY (i.e. <strong>One/Uno</strong>) DV misdemeanor conviction of <strong>any type or nature whatsoever</strong>, you LOSE a fundamental right for life. THAT is the SAME as one speeding ticket, never drive again (actually it's much worse, being a right, not a privilege).</p><p></p><p>That could not possibly be more different than someone who loses for a few years, a legal privilege, after multiple/ many counts of speeding, DUI, on and on. And a DUI is a <strong>felony</strong>, not a misdemeanor. Which proves the whole point here about the importance of retaining the key misdemeanor/felony distinction, and not having the fedgov interfere unconstutitionally with the STATES' right to determine what is and is not punishable by the rules of felonies, with its incidental fundamental rights losses. [This is as much a state's rights issue, as it is an RKBA issue, and a crime control issue.] There are so many things wrong with that comparison, that it's absurd to even call it an analogy.</p><p></p><p>And moreover, if you beat up your wife a few times, not just once, I promise you that you WILL be charged with a felony. See above what I said before re: aggravating circumstances, etc. There are several DV felonies in the DA's repertoire to choose from, and they WILL use them (charge you with them) if you're an a-hole recidivist wife beater - I promise you - as well they should!</p><p></p><p>That is NOTHING like a single loss of a temper in the heat of the moment.</p><p></p><p>Punishment should fit the crime. The discretion that judges & DAs use to best make that simple principle come to fruition is best done at the state & local level - not by an unconstitutional one-size-fits-all, no-exception law shoved down our throats by Lautenberg, Feinstein, & Schumer, via Washington DC, which cannot and does not take into account the whole picture of all the circumstances, including mitigating circumstances! <img src="/images/smilies/mad.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-shortname=":mad:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, post: 1290735, member: 7123"] No they DON'T!! Incorrect. If you have ANY (i.e. [B]One/Uno[/B]) DV misdemeanor conviction of [B]any type or nature whatsoever[/B], you LOSE a fundamental right for life. THAT is the SAME as one speeding ticket, never drive again (actually it's much worse, being a right, not a privilege). That could not possibly be more different than someone who loses for a few years, a legal privilege, after multiple/ many counts of speeding, DUI, on and on. And a DUI is a [B]felony[/B], not a misdemeanor. Which proves the whole point here about the importance of retaining the key misdemeanor/felony distinction, and not having the fedgov interfere unconstutitionally with the STATES' right to determine what is and is not punishable by the rules of felonies, with its incidental fundamental rights losses. [This is as much a state's rights issue, as it is an RKBA issue, and a crime control issue.] There are so many things wrong with that comparison, that it's absurd to even call it an analogy. And moreover, if you beat up your wife a few times, not just once, I promise you that you WILL be charged with a felony. See above what I said before re: aggravating circumstances, etc. There are several DV felonies in the DA's repertoire to choose from, and they WILL use them (charge you with them) if you're an a-hole recidivist wife beater - I promise you - as well they should! That is NOTHING like a single loss of a temper in the heat of the moment. Punishment should fit the crime. The discretion that judges & DAs use to best make that simple principle come to fruition is best done at the state & local level - not by an unconstitutional one-size-fits-all, no-exception law shoved down our throats by Lautenberg, Feinstein, & Schumer, via Washington DC, which cannot and does not take into account the whole picture of all the circumstances, including mitigating circumstances! :mad: [/QUOTE]
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