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<blockquote data-quote="MyMonkey" data-source="post: 690319" data-attributes="member: 3945"><p>Traffic Tards. <img src="/images/smilies/image1047.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":laughup:" title="Image1047 :laughup:" data-shortname=":laughup:" /> I despise driving these days. Especially on the highway around town. Not kidding when I say that I saw someone smoking crank while in traffic on the NW Expressway yesterday. <img src="/images/smilies/image1249.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":cannon:" title="Image1249 :cannon:" data-shortname=":cannon:" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sounds justified under the law. However, if you were in mine or many others CHL class you would have been instructed by the LAWYER who presented the SDA portion of the class that "If you touch your gun, someone must die."</p><p>Of course I was perplexed. <img src="/images/smilies/eek2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":eek2:" title="Eek2 :eek2:" data-shortname=":eek2:" /> WTBunk? Then all the newly (Soon to be) armed and inexperienced onlookers begin asking something similar to what you have asked. Only to be advised that if they did not kill the subject that threatened them before the thread subsided that they needed more training. WTBunk again? I was pissed. </p><p></p><p>That's simply not true. If presentation of a firearm quells the threat in a reasonably ascertainable fashion, then the use of deadly force is no longer justified. (Even though you having your gun out can be considered deadly force) Akin to the use of force continuum so taught to the PoPo's for many years. (Note: This applies a bit differently in your home where your allowed a bit more leeway in the use of deadly force)<img src="/images/smilies/saywhat.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":saywhat:" title="Saywhat :saywhat:" data-shortname=":saywhat:" /> </p><p></p><p>The sticky point above is the "reasonably ascertainable fashion" portion. Which means that any reasonable person would have known that the threat had subsided. If you end up shooting and there are 5 witnesses that say the threat was no longer present vs your statements to the contrary, you will have some splainin to do. <img src="/images/smilies/bolt.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":bolt:" title="Bolt :bolt:" data-shortname=":bolt:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MyMonkey, post: 690319, member: 3945"] Traffic Tards. :laughup: I despise driving these days. Especially on the highway around town. Not kidding when I say that I saw someone smoking crank while in traffic on the NW Expressway yesterday. :cannon: Sounds justified under the law. However, if you were in mine or many others CHL class you would have been instructed by the LAWYER who presented the SDA portion of the class that "If you touch your gun, someone must die." Of course I was perplexed. :eek2: WTBunk? Then all the newly (Soon to be) armed and inexperienced onlookers begin asking something similar to what you have asked. Only to be advised that if they did not kill the subject that threatened them before the thread subsided that they needed more training. WTBunk again? I was pissed. That's simply not true. If presentation of a firearm quells the threat in a reasonably ascertainable fashion, then the use of deadly force is no longer justified. (Even though you having your gun out can be considered deadly force) Akin to the use of force continuum so taught to the PoPo's for many years. (Note: This applies a bit differently in your home where your allowed a bit more leeway in the use of deadly force):saywhat: The sticky point above is the "reasonably ascertainable fashion" portion. Which means that any reasonable person would have known that the threat had subsided. If you end up shooting and there are 5 witnesses that say the threat was no longer present vs your statements to the contrary, you will have some splainin to do. :bolt: [/QUOTE]
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