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<blockquote data-quote="bratch" data-source="post: 789003" data-attributes="member: 83"><p>Not at all. The VMAX is a varmint bullet designed with limited penetration and fragmentation, not what you want in a deer bullet. The 60gr Nosler Partition and the Barnes that Olyeller mentioned are both good rounds for deer. There are also a variety of soft points in the mid 60 weight that would work.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As our buddy <em>liliysdad</em> likes to say there are 3 levels of gear "crap, good, and good enough"; I'd add a fourth group "decent". "Crap" is easy enough to describe Hesse, etc. "Good" gets a little blurred but Noveske, Colt, Sabre, Daniel Defense all fit in. "Good enough" fits most ARs right now RRA, Bushmaster, Stag, some DPMS, etc. "Decent" gets your entry level guns such as the DPMS Sporticle.</p><p></p><p>50% of the shooting population will be satisfied with the "decent" group of rifles, another 45% will be thrilled with a "good enough" rifle. Its the last 5% that need a "good" rifle. </p><p></p><p>What group do you fit into? If you don't <strong>know</strong> that you need/want a "good" rifle you'll probably be 100% happy with something from the "decent/good enough" group. Who <strong>needs </strong> a "good" rifle: military, LE, training junkies, and probably some 3 gun shooters. Who <strong>wants</strong> a "good" rifle anybody who doesn't want any question as to if there gear is up to the task. </p><p></p><p>Extreme conditions are where the rifles really begin to show what group they fit into. A hard carbine class is a good example of this. Most "good" rifles will survive a long training weekend with 1500 rounds fired, I'd expect a majority of good enough rifles to survive, decent rifles will have the highest failure rate. By survive I mean that they will complete to class with no to a minimum of failures that are attributable to the rifle and not the mags or ammo.</p><p></p><p>Ask yourself what you want to do with it. If your answer is shoot a few boxes of ammo ever couple of months at the range get whatever you want any decent rifle will do a great job at this. If your thinking about a couple practical rifle shoots or maybe a basic carbine course go with something in the Bushmaster/RRA/Stag range. If you are planning on training regularly in tough conditions, shooting competitions often, or just enjoy having Tier 1 gear go ahead and get the Colt/Sabre/Noveske.</p><p></p><p>ARs span the price range and each price point has its plusses and minuses. Finding what fits with your needs, desires, and wallets can be a little tricky but with some no BS thought about it, it can prevent headaches and walletaches down the road.</p><p></p><p>Buy what you like, what you can afford, and what will fulfill your needs and you'll be happy.</p><p></p><p><em>I'm discussing factory out of the box rifles, once you start dropping new bolts and carrier groups into rifles and adding higher quality components the lines really get blurred.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bratch, post: 789003, member: 83"] Not at all. The VMAX is a varmint bullet designed with limited penetration and fragmentation, not what you want in a deer bullet. The 60gr Nosler Partition and the Barnes that Olyeller mentioned are both good rounds for deer. There are also a variety of soft points in the mid 60 weight that would work. As our buddy [I]liliysdad[/I] likes to say there are 3 levels of gear "crap, good, and good enough"; I'd add a fourth group "decent". "Crap" is easy enough to describe Hesse, etc. "Good" gets a little blurred but Noveske, Colt, Sabre, Daniel Defense all fit in. "Good enough" fits most ARs right now RRA, Bushmaster, Stag, some DPMS, etc. "Decent" gets your entry level guns such as the DPMS Sporticle. 50% of the shooting population will be satisfied with the "decent" group of rifles, another 45% will be thrilled with a "good enough" rifle. Its the last 5% that need a "good" rifle. What group do you fit into? If you don't [B]know[/B] that you need/want a "good" rifle you'll probably be 100% happy with something from the "decent/good enough" group. Who [B]needs [/B] a "good" rifle: military, LE, training junkies, and probably some 3 gun shooters. Who [B]wants[/B] a "good" rifle anybody who doesn't want any question as to if there gear is up to the task. Extreme conditions are where the rifles really begin to show what group they fit into. A hard carbine class is a good example of this. Most "good" rifles will survive a long training weekend with 1500 rounds fired, I'd expect a majority of good enough rifles to survive, decent rifles will have the highest failure rate. By survive I mean that they will complete to class with no to a minimum of failures that are attributable to the rifle and not the mags or ammo. Ask yourself what you want to do with it. If your answer is shoot a few boxes of ammo ever couple of months at the range get whatever you want any decent rifle will do a great job at this. If your thinking about a couple practical rifle shoots or maybe a basic carbine course go with something in the Bushmaster/RRA/Stag range. If you are planning on training regularly in tough conditions, shooting competitions often, or just enjoy having Tier 1 gear go ahead and get the Colt/Sabre/Noveske. ARs span the price range and each price point has its plusses and minuses. Finding what fits with your needs, desires, and wallets can be a little tricky but with some no BS thought about it, it can prevent headaches and walletaches down the road. Buy what you like, what you can afford, and what will fulfill your needs and you'll be happy. [I]I'm discussing factory out of the box rifles, once you start dropping new bolts and carrier groups into rifles and adding higher quality components the lines really get blurred.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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