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<blockquote data-quote="donner" data-source="post: 1326772" data-attributes="member: 277">It&#039;s a &#039;chicken or the egg&#039; problem. Bad cyclists give us all a bad name while bad drivers do the same. Who started it? who cares. I&#039;ve had full coke cans thrown at me while riding when there wasn&#039;t another car for miles around. It doesn&#039;t take me doing anything wrong for some motorists to take issue with my presence on the road. It&#039;s funny you think the cyclists need to change, though. If they aren&#039;t breaking the law then why is it a &#039;them&#039; issue? I agree that cyclists need to be respectful and courteous, but in very few places is &#039;driving too slowly&#039; a crime. I&#039;ve seen two semis try to pass each other going up a hill and slowed traffic down as much as a good pack of cyclists, yet it is just a normal part of driving when it&#039;s another motorized vehicle... I hate it when cyclists break the law since it reflects poorly on all of us. If police want to start pulling over cyclists for breaking the law, then i am all for it, so long as they pull the motorists over as well. I&#039;ll never understand how a car killing a bunch of riders will do anything to change the situation, though. If someone is mad enough to want to hurt another person just because they are making them slow down, then they probably shouldn&#039;t be driving in the first place. I&#039;ve never bought the motorist argument about riders being too slow. A driver would never think of plowing into a tractor or other slow moving vehicle just because it wasn&#039;t going the speed limit, but a group of cyclists is a target for their rage?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="donner, post: 1326772, member: 277"] It's a 'chicken or the egg' problem. Bad cyclists give us all a bad name while bad drivers do the same. Who started it? who cares. I've had full coke cans thrown at me while riding when there wasn't another car for miles around. It doesn't take me doing anything wrong for some motorists to take issue with my presence on the road. It's funny you think the cyclists need to change, though. If they aren't breaking the law then why is it a 'them' issue? I agree that cyclists need to be respectful and courteous, but in very few places is 'driving too slowly' a crime. I've seen two semis try to pass each other going up a hill and slowed traffic down as much as a good pack of cyclists, yet it is just a normal part of driving when it's another motorized vehicle... I hate it when cyclists break the law since it reflects poorly on all of us. If police want to start pulling over cyclists for breaking the law, then i am all for it, so long as they pull the motorists over as well. I'll never understand how a car killing a bunch of riders will do anything to change the situation, though. If someone is mad enough to want to hurt another person just because they are making them slow down, then they probably shouldn't be driving in the first place. I've never bought the motorist argument about riders being too slow. A driver would never think of plowing into a tractor or other slow moving vehicle just because it wasn't going the speed limit, but a group of cyclists is a target for their rage? [/QUOTE]

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