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<blockquote data-quote="donner" data-source="post: 3035939" data-attributes="member: 277"><p>i have never claimed anything about bias. you said it was 'points of view without a solid base'. That is not true. There are examples out there of economic sanctions that have been used before Trump, even targeted economic sanctions. </p><p></p><p>In fact, we've used them against Puton, Iran, North Korea, and even Cuba. You can read about the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms%E2%80%93Burton_Act" target="_blank">1996 Helms-Burton act</a> that extended the Cuba embargo to private companies.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not new and the effectiveness of these sanctions depends on a lot of things (see my previous post). These aren't yes/no outcomes and are always subject to interpretation (which some will always assume is bias if it disagrees with their position). Immediate outcomes of the sanctions might be different than the longterm outcomes since the process remains fluid. What we do the North Korea today might work as intended for a week until they adapt or change their approach. </p><p></p><p>One thing that is different here, and does play to your point, is that Trump is more willing to go after those 3rd parties that try to go around the sanctions. But the hard part is that this approach relies on other countries being on board. Will china let the US 'punish' it's banks or citizens for doing business with the North Koreans? If not, then the stuff Trump is trying to do will have less teeth than it sounds on paper.</p><p></p><p>I haven't received specific articles for you, but was told that the this is a great place to start (and interestingly, deals directly with the EO you're discussing). The author is a political economist with a reputation as a leader on the NK sanctions issue. The site that hosts it, the Peterson Institute has been studying sanctions for something like 30 years i believe.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://piie.com/blogs/north-korea-witness-transformation/sanctions-things-are-about-get-interesting-really" target="_blank">NORTH KOREA: WITNESS TO TRANSFORMATION</a></p><p><a href="https://piie.com/blogs/north-korea-witness-transformation/sanctions-things-are-about-get-interesting-really" target="_blank">Sanctions: Things Are About to Get Interesting. Really Interesting.</a></p><p></p><p>And</p><p></p><p><a href="https://piie.com/blogs/north-korea-witness-transformation" target="_blank">This link will take you to a page with other articles in the series 'North Korea: Witness to Transformation'. </a>It will give you a lot of backstory and analysis of topic.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But to take your approach, something tells me you wont believe something is unbiased, no matter what i post.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="donner, post: 3035939, member: 277"] i have never claimed anything about bias. you said it was 'points of view without a solid base'. That is not true. There are examples out there of economic sanctions that have been used before Trump, even targeted economic sanctions. In fact, we've used them against Puton, Iran, North Korea, and even Cuba. You can read about the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms%E2%80%93Burton_Act']1996 Helms-Burton act[/URL] that extended the Cuba embargo to private companies. This is not new and the effectiveness of these sanctions depends on a lot of things (see my previous post). These aren't yes/no outcomes and are always subject to interpretation (which some will always assume is bias if it disagrees with their position). Immediate outcomes of the sanctions might be different than the longterm outcomes since the process remains fluid. What we do the North Korea today might work as intended for a week until they adapt or change their approach. One thing that is different here, and does play to your point, is that Trump is more willing to go after those 3rd parties that try to go around the sanctions. But the hard part is that this approach relies on other countries being on board. Will china let the US 'punish' it's banks or citizens for doing business with the North Koreans? If not, then the stuff Trump is trying to do will have less teeth than it sounds on paper. I haven't received specific articles for you, but was told that the this is a great place to start (and interestingly, deals directly with the EO you're discussing). The author is a political economist with a reputation as a leader on the NK sanctions issue. The site that hosts it, the Peterson Institute has been studying sanctions for something like 30 years i believe. [URL='https://piie.com/blogs/north-korea-witness-transformation/sanctions-things-are-about-get-interesting-really']NORTH KOREA: WITNESS TO TRANSFORMATION Sanctions: Things Are About to Get Interesting. Really Interesting.[/URL] And [URL='https://piie.com/blogs/north-korea-witness-transformation']This link will take you to a page with other articles in the series 'North Korea: Witness to Transformation'. [/URL]It will give you a lot of backstory and analysis of topic. But to take your approach, something tells me you wont believe something is unbiased, no matter what i post. [/QUOTE]
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