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<blockquote data-quote="billt" data-source="post: 3326623" data-attributes="member: 5188"><p>All true. And the thing is this, who wants to go through all of that every time they want to go somewhere? And for what purpose? What's to be gained? This whole idea that electric cars are somehow "greener" is nonsense. The bulk of the electricity produced in this country comes from the burning of fossil fuel of one form or another. So you plug your Telsa into your home garage, "Charging Station". Chances are that the electricity your home receives comes from either a coal or natural gas fired power plant. How is this any "greener"?</p><p></p><p>Then you have to consider how our power grid is already aging, and overtaxed to the max as it is. High Summertime temperatures already bring, "rolling brownouts" to several areas of the country already. Now your going to add millions of electric vehicles to an already overburdened system? What will all of this do to the cost per kilowatt for electricity? Assuming it can even provide it.</p><p></p><p>Yes, these problems can be solved, but their has to be a profit incentive to do it. Right now there isn't. Government incentives can't last forever. And EV's aren't selling well compared to gas and Diesel. An even better example of this is the residential solar market. You are seeing government incentives drying up. And it's quickly becoming a financial nightmare, as up to 90% of home solar companies are at risk of going under in the next 5 years because of it. People have no interest in paying full price for these systems, simply because they'll never get their money back. They cost more than they save. California's answer is to ram it down the peoples throats, who are building new homes. What will that achieve?</p><p></p><p>Fast forward to the EV market. What honest incentive is there for people to buy these things? They're not, "cleaner and greener". Certainly not indirectly when you look at where the electricity is coming from to charge them. Then you have the recharge time. Not to mention the poor network of recharging stations across fly over country. It's a PITA no matter how you look at it.</p><p></p><p>That's a lot on anyone's plate to solve. And until we have a completely revamped power grid, that obtains close to 100% of it's generated power from non fossil fuel production, this whole EV deal is nothing but a big circle jerk. Simply because it's not any "cleaner". While gas and diesel cars are, because that same technology is being used to make them run cleaner and more economically as well. Not to mention you can drive ANY of them across the nation at the legal limit in under 48 hours.</p><p></p><p>I'm not being, "loud and antagonistic". I'm merely pointing out facts. They may ring loudly because some people don't want to hear them. But that doesn't make any of them any less true.</p><p></p><p>This is usually what happens when the government pushes something that certain people or politicians with agendas want pushed. It ends up getting pushed up against a wall. And as I said, the government cannot legislate technology. And when it tries, what you are seeing with the current EV market is usually the result. Problems pile up faster than they can be solved. And there is no financial incentive to solve them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="billt, post: 3326623, member: 5188"] All true. And the thing is this, who wants to go through all of that every time they want to go somewhere? And for what purpose? What's to be gained? This whole idea that electric cars are somehow "greener" is nonsense. The bulk of the electricity produced in this country comes from the burning of fossil fuel of one form or another. So you plug your Telsa into your home garage, "Charging Station". Chances are that the electricity your home receives comes from either a coal or natural gas fired power plant. How is this any "greener"? Then you have to consider how our power grid is already aging, and overtaxed to the max as it is. High Summertime temperatures already bring, "rolling brownouts" to several areas of the country already. Now your going to add millions of electric vehicles to an already overburdened system? What will all of this do to the cost per kilowatt for electricity? Assuming it can even provide it. Yes, these problems can be solved, but their has to be a profit incentive to do it. Right now there isn't. Government incentives can't last forever. And EV's aren't selling well compared to gas and Diesel. An even better example of this is the residential solar market. You are seeing government incentives drying up. And it's quickly becoming a financial nightmare, as up to 90% of home solar companies are at risk of going under in the next 5 years because of it. People have no interest in paying full price for these systems, simply because they'll never get their money back. They cost more than they save. California's answer is to ram it down the peoples throats, who are building new homes. What will that achieve? Fast forward to the EV market. What honest incentive is there for people to buy these things? They're not, "cleaner and greener". Certainly not indirectly when you look at where the electricity is coming from to charge them. Then you have the recharge time. Not to mention the poor network of recharging stations across fly over country. It's a PITA no matter how you look at it. That's a lot on anyone's plate to solve. And until we have a completely revamped power grid, that obtains close to 100% of it's generated power from non fossil fuel production, this whole EV deal is nothing but a big circle jerk. Simply because it's not any "cleaner". While gas and diesel cars are, because that same technology is being used to make them run cleaner and more economically as well. Not to mention you can drive ANY of them across the nation at the legal limit in under 48 hours. I'm not being, "loud and antagonistic". I'm merely pointing out facts. They may ring loudly because some people don't want to hear them. But that doesn't make any of them any less true. This is usually what happens when the government pushes something that certain people or politicians with agendas want pushed. It ends up getting pushed up against a wall. And as I said, the government cannot legislate technology. And when it tries, what you are seeing with the current EV market is usually the result. Problems pile up faster than they can be solved. And there is no financial incentive to solve them. [/QUOTE]
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