That is in a court of law, not the court of string 'em up first.
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That is in a court of law, not the court of string 'em up first.
Just because they were doing ....what they were trained to do??
my response was to the assumption of innocence only. As it applies to courts. I think the "court of public opinion" as evidenced by this thread shows that the same standard is not applicable.
They need better training.
Wonder who had access to security footage at the time? Maybe the guys working security?
Totally different situation but in the case of chad Peery. Dan O'Briens turned over video immediately trying to help with the prosecution of the dirt bags that broke his neck. Guess who ended up paying out a settlement? Every incident after that the recording was lost.
Yeah its almost like they need to try de-escalating situations.
Why de-escalate when you can gang tackle and get the adrenaline pumping?
Saw coverage on news 9 this evening. Family's attorney stated that he had been denied access to the security video.
Funny because within 5 minutes there was another story where security video from McDonalds was used to try to identify a car thief.
Funny because within 5 minutes there was another story where security video from McDonalds was used to try to identify a car thief.
All this whining about "innocent until proven guilty" is BS. When this started he was alive and by the end he was dead. What was he guilty of? According to the police statements his offenses were: not providing ID, taking an aggressive posture, and lastly...flexing his fist. Nowhere has anyone accused him of threatening, shoving, punching, trying to take a swing, pulling a weapon, or even having a weapon. And you can d@mn well bet if he had the chief would have said so. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. The police should have defused the situation not made it worse by their heavy handed practices.
In the video, the man gasped "can't breath" and then he exhaled his last bit of air a few seconds later (which is audible) and what did it get him, nothing but more pressure exerted on his back. Then they continued to sit on him until he stopped twitching I guess, because they didn't get off, even after he was restrained. They appear to be using excessive pressure on his back keeping him pinned until he stopped twitching (but a dying body does that at times). I know I wouldn't have been able to breath in that position, and this guy was heavier and older than me. What I'd like to know is were they trying to cause him to back out? Is this the training methods taught to officers now? If so, they killed one this time. Notice I said "killed," it wasn't an accident, nor was the the man's fault, it was the over zealous and aggressive methods used that caused this incident. When he was rolled over his bladder was clearly starting to let go, but when he was placed, as he was, semi on his back with chin down, his bladder then completely let go (you can see the puddle of piss)...he died. But what truly astounds me is the fact no one attempted any CPR until the ambulance arrived - when it was obvious - what happening. The only way you can justify the officers actions is to say they have no responsibility for the lives they have asserted authority over. They took his liberty, and they took his life, after he had no means to preserve it.
So, to all the LEO's that I just pissed off, I'm sorry you don't like my opinion, but I'm just calling it like I see it. But I'm sure, these guys will be cleared of any wrong doing by the agencies investigating. But I'm also sure, the officers, the agencies that employ them, and Harkins will almost certainly be sued and I strongly suspect that they will lose.
In the video, the man gasped "can't breath" and then he exhaled his last bit of air a few seconds later (which is audible) and what did it get him, nothing but more pressure exerted on his back. Then they continued to sit on him until he stopped twitching I guess, because they didn't get off, even after he was restrained. They appear to be using excessive pressure on his back keeping him pinned until he stopped twitching (but a dying body does that at times). I know I wouldn't have been able to breath in that position, and this guy was heavier and older than me. What I'd like to know is were they trying to cause him to back out? Is this the training methods taught to officers now? If so, they killed one this time. Notice I said "killed," it wasn't an accident, nor was the the man's fault, it was the over zealous and aggressive methods used that caused this incident. When he was rolled over his bladder was clearly starting to let go, but when he was placed, as he was, semi on his back with chin down, his bladder then completely let go (you can see the puddle of piss)...he died. But what truly astounds me is the fact no one attempted any CPR until the ambulance arrived - when it was obvious - what happening. The only way you can justify the officers actions is to say they have no responsibility for the lives they have asserted authority over. They took his liberty, and they took his life, after he had no means to preserve it.
So, to all the LEO's that I just pissed off, I'm sorry you don't like my opinion, but I'm just calling it like I see it. But I'm sure, these guys will be cleared of any wrong doing by the agencies investigating. But I'm also sure, the officers, the agencies that employ them, and Harkins will almost certainly be sued and I strongly suspect that they will lose.
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