Family Says Moore Police Beat Father To Death

[tran]

Mike, I have to agree with you on this one... Sounds like total BS to me.

All this whining about "innocent until proven guilty" is BS. When this started he was alive and by the end he was dead. What was he guilty of? According to the police statements his offenses were: not providing ID, taking an aggressive posture, and lastly...flexing his fist. Nowhere has anyone accused him of threatening, shoving, punching, trying to take a swing, pulling a weapon, or even having a weapon. And you can d@mn well bet if he had the chief would have said so. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. The police should have defused the situation not made it worse by their heavy handed practices.

In the video, the man gasped "can't breath" and then he exhaled his last bit of air a few seconds later (which is audible) and what did it get him, nothing but more pressure exerted on his back. Then they continued to sit on him until he stopped twitching I guess, because they didn't get off, even after he was restrained. They appear to be using excessive pressure on his back keeping him pinned until he stopped twitching (but a dying body does that at times). I know I wouldn't have been able to breath in that position, and this guy was heavier and older than me. What I'd like to know is were they trying to cause him to back out? Is this the training methods taught to officers now? If so, they killed one this time. Notice I said "killed," it wasn't an accident, nor was the the man's fault, it was the over zealous and aggressive methods used that caused this incident. When he was rolled over his bladder was clearly starting to let go, but when he was placed, as he was, semi on his back with chin down, his bladder then completely let go (you can see the puddle of piss)...he died. But what truly astounds me is the fact no one attempted any CPR until the ambulance arrived - when it was obvious - what happening. The only way you can justify the officers actions is to say they have no responsibility for the lives they have asserted authority over. They took his liberty, and they took his life, after he had no means to preserve it.

So, to all the LEO's that I just pissed off, I'm sorry you don't like my opinion, but I'm just calling it like I see it. But I'm sure, these guys will be cleared of any wrong doing by the agencies investigating. But I'm also sure, the officers, the agencies that employ them, and Harkins will almost certainly be sued and I strongly suspect that they will lose.

 

[yukonjack]

That is in a court of law, not the court of string 'em up first.

The Court of OSA is now in session!!

 

[patrickcudd]

All this whining about "innocent until proven guilty" is BS. When this started he was alive and by the end he was dead. What was he guilty of? According to the police statements his offenses were: not providing ID, taking an aggressive posture, and lastly...flexing his fist. Nowhere has anyone accused him of threatening, shoving, punching, trying to take a swing, pulling a weapon, or even having a weapon. And you can d@mn well bet if he had the chief would have said so. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. The police should have defused the situation not made it worse by their heavy handed practices.

In the video, the man gasped "can't breath" and then he exhaled his last bit of air a few seconds later (which is audible) and what did it get him, nothing but more pressure exerted on his back. Then they continued to sit on him until he stopped twitching I guess, because they didn't get off, even after he was restrained. They appear to be using excessive pressure on his back keeping him pinned until he stopped twitching (but a dying body does that at times). I know I wouldn't have been able to breath in that position, and this guy was heavier and older than me. What I'd like to know is were they trying to cause him to back out? Is this the training methods taught to officers now? If so, they killed one this time. Notice I said "killed," it wasn't an accident, nor was the the man's fault, it was the over zealous and aggressive methods used that caused this incident. When he was rolled over his bladder was clearly starting to let go, but when he was placed, as he was, semi on his back with chin down, his bladder then completely let go (you can see the puddle of piss)...he died. But what truly astounds me is the fact no one attempted any CPR until the ambulance arrived - when it was obvious - what happening. The only way you can justify the officers actions is to say they have no responsibility for the lives they have asserted authority over. They took his liberty, and they took his life, after he had no means to preserve it.

So, to all the LEO's that I just pissed off, I'm sorry you don't like my opinion, but I'm just calling it like I see it. But I'm sure, these guys will be cleared of any wrong doing by the agencies investigating. But I'm also sure, the officers, the agencies that employ them, and Harkins will almost certainly be sued and I strongly suspect that they will lose.

Well said!

 

[yukonjack]

I told ya'll the cops were innocent. So now we know we didn't see the whole video!!

http://www.news9.com/story/24835459...fficer-shares-new-details-on-in-custody-death

"Officer Minnard walks up, says, ‘Hey we are investigating a crime here, need your identification.' Subject refuses, starts to take off, gets into a fighting stance," said Adams.

 

[Mr10mm]

All this whining about "innocent until proven guilty" is BS. When this started he was alive and by the end he was dead. What was he guilty of? According to the police statements his offenses were: not providing ID, taking an aggressive posture, and lastly...flexing his fist. Nowhere has anyone accused him of threatening, shoving, punching, trying to take a swing, pulling a weapon, or even having a weapon. And you can d@mn well bet if he had the chief would have said so. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. The police should have defused the situation not made it worse by their heavy handed practices.

In the video, the man gasped "can't breath" and then he exhaled his last bit of air a few seconds later (which is audible) and what did it get him, nothing but more pressure exerted on his back. Then they continued to sit on him until he stopped twitching I guess, because they didn't get off, even after he was restrained. They appear to be using excessive pressure on his back keeping him pinned until he stopped twitching (but a dying body does that at times). I know I wouldn't have been able to breath in that position, and this guy was heavier and older than me. What I'd like to know is were they trying to cause him to back out? Is this the training methods taught to officers now? If so, they killed one this time. Notice I said "killed," it wasn't an accident, nor was the the man's fault, it was the over zealous and aggressive methods used that caused this incident. When he was rolled over his bladder was clearly starting to let go, but when he was placed, as he was, semi on his back with chin down, his bladder then completely let go (you can see the puddle of piss)...he died. But what truly astounds me is the fact no one attempted any CPR until the ambulance arrived - when it was obvious - what happening. The only way you can justify the officers actions is to say they have no responsibility for the lives they have asserted authority over. They took his liberty, and they took his life, after he had no means to preserve it.

So, to all the LEO's that I just pissed off, I'm sorry you don't like my opinion, but I'm just calling it like I see it. But I'm sure, these guys will be cleared of any wrong doing by the agencies investigating. But I'm also sure, the officers, the agencies that employ them, and Harkins will almost certainly be sued and I strongly suspect that they will lose.

No cop bashing. Banned for life.

 

[Mike_60]

I told ya'll the cops were innocent. So now we know we didn't see the whole video!!

http://www.news9.com/story/24835459...fficer-shares-new-details-on-in-custody-death

"Officer Minnard walks up, says, ‘Hey we are investigating a crime here, need your identification.' Subject refuses, starts to take off, gets into a fighting stance," said Adams.

You're missing the point of my argument.

 

[Mike_60]

No cop bashing. Banned for life.

Don't get your panties in a wad. If someone can't take a little constructive criticism they need to grow a pair.

 

[yukonjack]

You're missing the point of my argument.

I'm lost? Who are you?

 

[Mike_60]

I'm lost? Who are you?

I'm me.

 

[Mike_60]

Hy everyone, my name is Jammes.

[Broken External Image]

Hi Jammes.