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<blockquote data-quote="Dave70968" data-source="post: 3074782" data-attributes="member: 13624"><p>I can't find specific examples offhand, but I do see news stories, including claims that the DoJ's own reports to Congress acknowledge the use of USA PATRIOT Act provisions for non-terror offenses, to wit:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/us/us-uses-terror-law-to-pursue-crimes-from-drugs-to-swindling.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/us/us-uses-terror-law-to-pursue-crimes-from-drugs-to-swindling.html</a> [<strong>emphasis</strong> mine; also note that this story is from September 2003, so those "many hundreds" of nonterrorism cases are in a fairly short period of time]</p><p></p><p>Another:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.aclu.org/other/myths-and-realities-about-patriot-act" target="_blank">https://www.aclu.org/other/myths-and-realities-about-patriot-act</a> [article from 2004]</p><p></p><p>From the same story:</p><p></p><p>Fourth Amendment? How quaint!</p><p></p><p>Another story:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/peekaboo-i-see-you-government-uses-authority-meant-terrorism-other-uses" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/peekaboo-i-see-you-government-uses-authority-meant-terrorism-other-uses</a> [<strong>emphasis</strong> mine; 2014 story]</p><p></p><p>See also:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://news.vice.com/article/law-enforcement-is-using-sneak-and-peek-patriot-act-power-but-not-to-bust-terrorists" target="_blank">https://news.vice.com/article/law-enforcement-is-using-sneak-and-peek-patriot-act-power-but-not-to-bust-terrorists</a> [<strong>emphasis</strong> mine; 2014 story referencing EFF report above]</p><p></p><p>Or this one:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.deseretnews.com/article/510054330/Patriot-Act-targeting-common-criminals.html" target="_blank">https://www.deseretnews.com/article/510054330/Patriot-Act-targeting-common-criminals.html</a></p><p>I'm not going to argue that running a meth lab is a <em>good</em> thing, but "manufacturer of chemical weapons?" Are we really putting meth on the same legal plane as ricin or sarin gas? C'mon, let's at least <em>pretend</em> to be going after actual terrorists. As to the law, sodium hypochlorite is toxic, but I don't see anybody bringing charges for not only manufacturing, but <em>actively marketing</em> the sale of NaClO solution (you'll find it in the laundry aisle; it's called "bleach"). Even <em>water</em> is toxic in sufficient concentration! Talk about a grossly overbroad law, having only the barest wisp of a nexus to terrorism.</p><p></p><p>As to the seminars to local law enforcement, again, I distinctly remember when they were in the news, but that's been a decade or more ago (under the Bush Administration), so finding those stories is a little tougher now. Here's one story on the topic:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/terror-laws-used-vs-common-crimes/" target="_blank">https://www.cbsnews.com/news/terror-laws-used-vs-common-crimes/</a> [September 2003 story]</p><p></p><p>See also: Walter Brasch's <em>America's Unpatriotic Acts</em>, p. 75-76. The claims have footnotes for support, but I can't chase them down as the notes pages aren't included in the excerpt on Google:</p><p><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=NH6axRj4HQkC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=National+Association+of+Criminal+Defense+Attorneys+PATRIOT+Act+seminars&source=bl&ots=3FVfKP1YIf&sig=X-HTAI-twaUNIRY1BT5pXq7uy38&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWgJPUkuzYAhVvhq0KHTSSDIQQ6AEIUTAF#v=onepage&q=National%20Association%20of%20Criminal%20Defense%20Attorneys%20PATRIOT%20Act%20seminars&f=false" target="_blank">https://books.google.com/books?id=NH6axRj4HQkC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=National+Association+of+Criminal+Defense+Attorneys+PATRIOT+Act+seminars&source=bl&ots=3FVfKP1YIf&sig=X-HTAI-twaUNIRY1BT5pXq7uy38&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWgJPUkuzYAhVvhq0KHTSSDIQQ6AEIUTAF#v=onepage&q=National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys PATRIOT Act seminars&f=false</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dave70968, post: 3074782, member: 13624"] I can't find specific examples offhand, but I do see news stories, including claims that the DoJ's own reports to Congress acknowledge the use of USA PATRIOT Act provisions for non-terror offenses, to wit: [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/us/us-uses-terror-law-to-pursue-crimes-from-drugs-to-swindling.html[/URL] [[B]emphasis[/B] mine; also note that this story is from September 2003, so those "many hundreds" of nonterrorism cases are in a fairly short period of time] Another: [URL]https://www.aclu.org/other/myths-and-realities-about-patriot-act[/URL] [article from 2004] From the same story: Fourth Amendment? How quaint! Another story: [URL]https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/peekaboo-i-see-you-government-uses-authority-meant-terrorism-other-uses[/URL] [[B]emphasis[/B] mine; 2014 story] See also: [URL]https://news.vice.com/article/law-enforcement-is-using-sneak-and-peek-patriot-act-power-but-not-to-bust-terrorists[/URL] [[B]emphasis[/B] mine; 2014 story referencing EFF report above] Or this one: [URL]https://www.deseretnews.com/article/510054330/Patriot-Act-targeting-common-criminals.html[/URL] I'm not going to argue that running a meth lab is a [I]good[/I] thing, but "manufacturer of chemical weapons?" Are we really putting meth on the same legal plane as ricin or sarin gas? C'mon, let's at least [I]pretend[/I] to be going after actual terrorists. As to the law, sodium hypochlorite is toxic, but I don't see anybody bringing charges for not only manufacturing, but [I]actively marketing[/I] the sale of NaClO solution (you'll find it in the laundry aisle; it's called "bleach"). Even [I]water[/I] is toxic in sufficient concentration! Talk about a grossly overbroad law, having only the barest wisp of a nexus to terrorism. As to the seminars to local law enforcement, again, I distinctly remember when they were in the news, but that's been a decade or more ago (under the Bush Administration), so finding those stories is a little tougher now. Here's one story on the topic: [URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/terror-laws-used-vs-common-crimes/[/URL] [September 2003 story] See also: Walter Brasch's [I]America's Unpatriotic Acts[/I], p. 75-76. The claims have footnotes for support, but I can't chase them down as the notes pages aren't included in the excerpt on Google: [URL]https://books.google.com/books?id=NH6axRj4HQkC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=National+Association+of+Criminal+Defense+Attorneys+PATRIOT+Act+seminars&source=bl&ots=3FVfKP1YIf&sig=X-HTAI-twaUNIRY1BT5pXq7uy38&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWgJPUkuzYAhVvhq0KHTSSDIQQ6AEIUTAF#v=onepage&q=National%20Association%20of%20Criminal%20Defense%20Attorneys%20PATRIOT%20Act%20seminars&f=false[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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