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<blockquote data-quote="Travis798" data-source="post: 2524797" data-attributes="member: 5980"><p>I guess if we are gonna turn this into a union bashing thread I'll chime in.</p><p></p><p>I'm a union member. While I detest public sector unions as much as the next guy, you can't confuse them with private unions.</p><p></p><p>My union negotiates wages/benefits/working conditions with our contractors. When they are all in agreement, they draw up a contract and everyone signs it. If the contractor meets the obligations they agreed to in the contract period, we can't strike. If they don't, we can. Seems pretty simple to me. They live up to their word and we live up to ours.</p><p></p><p>We have multiple pay scales. Sometimes a contractor has a hard time getting work in locations that non union contractors have a stronghold. We have a low scale that drops our wages considerably in order to help them get costs down to a point that they can pick up that work. We have to do everything we can in order to insure our contractors make money, because if they go out of business so will we.</p><p></p><p>They still have to compete with the non union side, so with the extra cost our benefits bring to the table we try to make up for with skill and speed. We can get run off in a heartbeat if we aren't doing our job or if our skill set is lacking. If it's raining and the contractor can't work, I still get paid 5 hours and my perdiem, because I have to travel and live on the road and still have expenses whether we work or not. If we get rained out after working for 4 hours, I get paid for all day. The flip side to that is we rarely mud out. We work in mud bad enough I've seen many non union welders refuse to work in. We let the heavy equipment hook up to our personal trucks and drag us through it if we have to. We do what it takes to get the job done.</p><p></p><p>Do I like union politics? No. Do I like the fact that my local union, who's bread and butter is the oil and gas sector still pushes for democrats just because that's what unions do? Hell no. But I remain a member because I put in an honest days work for an honest days pay, and in exchange I receive health insurance and retirement.</p><p></p><p>Sorry for the long rant, but while there may be things I don't care for with my local unions, I don't see one redeeming quality to public sector unions, and it really bugs me when people go to talking about private sector unions like they are the same thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Travis798, post: 2524797, member: 5980"] I guess if we are gonna turn this into a union bashing thread I'll chime in. I'm a union member. While I detest public sector unions as much as the next guy, you can't confuse them with private unions. My union negotiates wages/benefits/working conditions with our contractors. When they are all in agreement, they draw up a contract and everyone signs it. If the contractor meets the obligations they agreed to in the contract period, we can't strike. If they don't, we can. Seems pretty simple to me. They live up to their word and we live up to ours. We have multiple pay scales. Sometimes a contractor has a hard time getting work in locations that non union contractors have a stronghold. We have a low scale that drops our wages considerably in order to help them get costs down to a point that they can pick up that work. We have to do everything we can in order to insure our contractors make money, because if they go out of business so will we. They still have to compete with the non union side, so with the extra cost our benefits bring to the table we try to make up for with skill and speed. We can get run off in a heartbeat if we aren't doing our job or if our skill set is lacking. If it's raining and the contractor can't work, I still get paid 5 hours and my perdiem, because I have to travel and live on the road and still have expenses whether we work or not. If we get rained out after working for 4 hours, I get paid for all day. The flip side to that is we rarely mud out. We work in mud bad enough I've seen many non union welders refuse to work in. We let the heavy equipment hook up to our personal trucks and drag us through it if we have to. We do what it takes to get the job done. Do I like union politics? No. Do I like the fact that my local union, who's bread and butter is the oil and gas sector still pushes for democrats just because that's what unions do? Hell no. But I remain a member because I put in an honest days work for an honest days pay, and in exchange I receive health insurance and retirement. Sorry for the long rant, but while there may be things I don't care for with my local unions, I don't see one redeeming quality to public sector unions, and it really bugs me when people go to talking about private sector unions like they are the same thing. [/QUOTE]
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