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<blockquote data-quote="Kiyot" data-source="post: 1505521" data-attributes="member: 627"><p>Two things I have said in the past about this topic. First, the tresspassing complaint. There are two main trains of thought on this, the sign is the same as saying no tresspassing. If they catch you inside the store they can file tresspassing charges right then. The other is that only when asked and you refuse to leave then it is tresspassing, if you leave no harm no foul. I'm more apt to follow the second because of the saying that has already been said, "Concealed is concealed" Even if you are spotted, I would think that they would either ask you to leave which I would or they call the police and in spirit of making things easiest the officer would just ask me to leave. I think that the only way files would be pressed was if the employee/manager really insisted and I don't think they care enough. If they do then when it comes time to go to court over your ticket that employee/manager is going to have to go to court which is even more trouble to them. </p><p></p><p>I think it comes down to liability and thats why you see the gunbuster signs. If they were to put into law like they did with the keeping of your firearms in the parking lot at work and put the sole responsibility on the gunowner and take it away from the store, which is where it honestly lies anyways, then most gunbuster signs would be a thing of the past. Take this scenario, you are in a gunbuster place and there is a robbery and you shoot the bad guy as a result and it's a justified shooting. Is the company going to file charges on you? Especially in Oklahoma? No they'd take a huge hit by the public. But on the flip side, you shoot at the bad guy and accidently shoot an innocent bystander, and they or the family sued they of course are going to include the company it happened at too because they have the deeper pockets and as we all know those insurance companies are more apt to settle. But if they have that sign up they have an open and shut case, that guy should never have been in our store so it's all on him. If they didn't have the sign they wouldn't have that and would probably end in a settlement of some kind.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kiyot, post: 1505521, member: 627"] Two things I have said in the past about this topic. First, the tresspassing complaint. There are two main trains of thought on this, the sign is the same as saying no tresspassing. If they catch you inside the store they can file tresspassing charges right then. The other is that only when asked and you refuse to leave then it is tresspassing, if you leave no harm no foul. I'm more apt to follow the second because of the saying that has already been said, "Concealed is concealed" Even if you are spotted, I would think that they would either ask you to leave which I would or they call the police and in spirit of making things easiest the officer would just ask me to leave. I think that the only way files would be pressed was if the employee/manager really insisted and I don't think they care enough. If they do then when it comes time to go to court over your ticket that employee/manager is going to have to go to court which is even more trouble to them. I think it comes down to liability and thats why you see the gunbuster signs. If they were to put into law like they did with the keeping of your firearms in the parking lot at work and put the sole responsibility on the gunowner and take it away from the store, which is where it honestly lies anyways, then most gunbuster signs would be a thing of the past. Take this scenario, you are in a gunbuster place and there is a robbery and you shoot the bad guy as a result and it's a justified shooting. Is the company going to file charges on you? Especially in Oklahoma? No they'd take a huge hit by the public. But on the flip side, you shoot at the bad guy and accidently shoot an innocent bystander, and they or the family sued they of course are going to include the company it happened at too because they have the deeper pockets and as we all know those insurance companies are more apt to settle. But if they have that sign up they have an open and shut case, that guy should never have been in our store so it's all on him. If they didn't have the sign they wouldn't have that and would probably end in a settlement of some kind. [/QUOTE]
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