H & H providing your name and address to the state?

[FAL guy]

Ok I'd like to point out my view on this, short and sweet.
If I was put into the "Database" it was done off the 4473 form. If H&H done it, or a computer, it was read off my form, or off my id while filling the form out, entered into the "Database" then mailed.

Respectfully, the point of sale system information that was used to generate the mailing information is gathered from a guest prior to any purchase. The same info is gathered if you purchase a jar of bore cleaner, as when you purchase a firearm.

If you purchase a firearm the information gathered for the POS system has to match the info on the 4473 so the sales receipt matches the 4473. These two items must also match your ID.

When all is said and done H&H made more money off past customers that had filled out the 4473.
There you go!

Once again, the information gathered and used for the mailing advertising the FREE event came from the POS system, not anyones 4473.

The event was free of charge to all who came. No invitation was necessary. We had flyers posted at the store for over a month prior to the event.

I got the same thing and the ONLY way it came to my address is through 4473...i ONLY use a po box except for those legal forms.....

If you purchase a firearm the information gathered for the POS system has to match the info on the 4473 so the sales receipt matches the 4473. These two items must also match your ID.

It might be a game of semantics but when entering your info into the system we gather the info from your ID. Further, if your ID has a PO Box on it we will not sell you a firearm unless you can provide an alternate means of showing residency.


To both of you, I apologize if you we feel we used your information incorrectly. Like Miles stated previously, it was never our intention to upset anyone.

 

[YukonGlocker]

So all firearm purchases are kept on file in your POS system???

 

[BallisticGuy]

Ok I'd like to point out my view on this, short and sweet.
I've purchased aound 10 firearms from H&H.
If I was put into the "Database" it was done off the 4473 form. If H&H done it, or a computer, it was read off my form, or off my id while filling the form out, entered into the "Database" then mailed. When all is said and done H&H made more money off past customers that had filled out the 4473.
There you go!

I have never given my real first name out except on that form and other Gov reasons. With that being the case the letter I recieved had an address on it that , no matter who or what recorded it, originally came from the 4473 with the purpose of making money.
I know you will argue with this but its the truth nomatter how you want to word it.
H&H is there to make money. If guns were free and there were no forms to fill out, there would be no database and therefore no letter.
I only recieved one letter. Purchased many more guns than that.

All you H&H fans please understand i'm not tring to be rude here, just laying down my opinon.

it was off your ID alot of places are doing that now, i was at new castle casino and they had my Id picture on there screen

Or if you shoot there they ask for you ID as well to store your purchase's in the computer

 

[jeepersjeep]

Respectfully, the point of sale system information that was used to generate the mailing information is gathered from a guest prior to any purchase. The same info is gathered if you purchase a jar of bore cleaner, as when you purchase a firearm.

If you purchase a firearm the information gathered for the POS system has to match the info on the 4473 so the sales receipt matches the 4473. These two items must also match your ID.



Once again, the information gathered and used for the mailing advertising the FREE event came from the POS system, not anyones 4473.

The event was free of charge to all who came. No invitation was necessary. We had flyers posted at the store for over a month prior to the event.



If you purchase a firearm the information gathered for the POS system has to match the info on the 4473 so the sales receipt matches the 4473. These two items must also match your ID.

It might be a game of semantics but when entering your info into the system we gather the info from your ID. Further, if your ID has a PO Box on it we will not sell you a firearm unless you can provide an alternate means of showing residency.


To both of you, I apologize if you we feel we used your information incorrectly. Like Miles stated previously, it was never our intention to upset anyone.

Like I said- I'm not mad at it. It's all good. Just stating the fact that gun sales were used to make more money, whether it be H&H's, the state, Gov or whoever.
It's all about money friend, and you cannot say it doesnt come from gun sales cause it does.
I purchase a gun, get invited to store- While I'm here I will purchase some overpriced ammo and maybe signup for a membership and I've never done this hunting thing so I'll give it a try= more money..
All this from a gun sale that you say was not used.
It was from a gun sale and the name on my forum was used. It's pretty basic.


Hopefully you can understand.

I didn't buy oil or range time, nothing. In fact I have several free range and 1/2 price range time cards that I'll never use. The childish man at the gun counter made sure of this.

 

[cowzrul]

You've never signed up for the free gun drawing at a gun show?

Never.

 

[centraloklahoma]

After reviewing what actually takes place at H & H Gun Range when you purchase a firearm I remembered that I did not complete any additional forms other than the 4473 that would have had my home address on it.

What happens is they make a photo copy of your state issued identification card or driver's license. Then they use that to enter your name and address into their "Point Of Sale" computer system.

This list is then stored and provided to a mailing business. The mailing business then uses the list H & H Gun Range provided them to print the addresses onto the envelopes that had the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation return address on them.

I don't remember supplying my driver's license to the cashier when I have purchased items such as hearing and eye protection, so it must only be entered for firearms purchases as the number of letters I received equals the amount of firearms I have purchased at H & H Gun Range in the more recent past.


CP

 

[M_Ridgeway]

I'm on a bb checking out the board so I didn't read every post but read most of the first few pages and decided to drop my two cents in.

Any place I give money and personal info to then without my explicit consent sends me letters is not gonna have my business.

 

[WhiteyMacD]

So,... whats the big deal?

How is this making more money? Explain to me like I was a child, cause I obviously dont get it.

Many guns purchase, 1 envelope received, 2 pieces of paper in said envelope.

One telling me about how purchasing firearms and ammo in OK support Fish and Wildlife and inviting me to the FREE Outdoor Expo.

Second one, Miles and Jayne inviting me to a Taste of Hunting, yet another free activity.

Where's this magical money making scheme? Or are you talking about them getting you all hopped up on buck/duck/pheasent fever and then you blowing your paycheck on scentlok/duck calls/nifty hunting vests??

wow, all I can say, wow.

For those saying any business that uses your information wont get your future business,... hope you know how to build your own widgets and grow your own food... cause you're gonna run out of places to buy crap from real quick. Good luck...

 

[TheRulingFool]

I talked to someone at H&H today, and they said exactly this: "We mailed stuff out using our database. We didn't provide information to anyone. It just so happened to be a mailing that advocated a state agency, so everyone assumed that we gave our customer database to a state agency."

Honestly, I'm fine with that.

As far as H&H, I love them, on the whole. But there are bad apples in every bunch. There are two people, specifically, that I refuse to deal with at H&H, and that's one was rude as hell, and the other flat out lied. Out and out lied.

Called and asked them if they had any Glock LE packages available for purchase. Response: "No, we're all out. Glock is backordered by about a quarter of a million firearms, so finding them is luck." I scratched my head, and called BS. I went by H&H, and spoke to someone else. He scratched HIS head, and said, "No, there are stacks and stacks of them." I know who the voice on the other end of the original phone conversation was, but I'm not sure if calling him out by name is allowed here.

 

[FAL guy]

So all firearm purchases are kept on file in your POS system???

Yes...many, many reasons. Computerized log book, inventory control, traces, as well as serial number research for those unfortunate enough to have a gun stolen. Digging through the paper files takes hours, the computer provides me the same info in seconds. Our POS is very, very secure.

If a guest has a gun stolen and needs the serial number for a police report.....I can usually provide that in a few minutes...with no records search service charge.