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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fitz-" data-source="post: 4182611" data-attributes="member: 50525">Then ya, you might want to revisit those, 3+ is going to vary by manufacturer since it's a made up level. More simply put usually was it bridged the big gap between 3 and 4, essentially supposedly being good for some of the lighter AP/green tip stuff. But now I'm getting hazy here, the big deal of why 4 > 3"+" was 3+ I thought still failed m80 ball usually due to backface deformation. (And then things get really confusing with some folks trying to wear a light weight special threat or 3+ plate with some soft armor reinventing essentially army IOTV and making an in conjunction with combination.   The issue, is all of these are kinda red neck back yard tested/wargamed and not things that have gone through full certification process.Should look up the new ratings though, it's sorta simpler and much clearer generally speaking. I just read it once so far and forgot so will need to re-read it a few more times until it sinks in.But from what your saying you sound mainly concerned with pistols, and if you want concealed, then ya your more in 3A area which is soft concealable armor, any of the 3+'s are going to be hard plates unless you are shelling out a fortune for some questionable safe life or some of those over advertised plans that have renamed dragonscale.</blockquote>