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<blockquote data-quote="mons meg" data-source="post: 2152645" data-attributes="member: 90">Sorry, yes, this is the &quot;teacher carry&quot; bill.&nbsp; As for authoritative sources, I know of no police departments that mandate ammo like Glaser &quot;safety slugs&quot;.&nbsp; I really think they were confusing &quot;frangible&quot; with hollowpoint, but we should know more later today, I hope.Just so we&#039;re clear, frangible rounds are generally a cluster of pellets, (think birdshot) that is bound together with a type of glue and/or a copper shell.&nbsp; It&#039;s designed to expand rapidly once it encounters a soft target and &quot;dump it&#039;s energy&quot; which I think is code for &quot;doesn&#039;t penetrate well&quot;. <img src="/images/smilies/wink.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)" data-shortname=";)" />Anyway, I found this article from 2005 regarding the air marshal service, seems they used to carry Glaser-type ammunition, but then they switched to .357sig hollowpoints in their P229s:<a href="http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-07-air-marshals_x.htm" target="_blank">http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-07-air-marshals_x.htm</a>And here:<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/13/20060613-123248-2105r/?page=all" target="_blank">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/13/20060613-123248-2105r/?page=all</a>It&#039;s still apparently somewhat controversial, but the Air Marshal service has some unique tactical concerns.&nbsp; Another thing to consider?&nbsp; Existing SROs who are active duty LEOs aren&#039;t required to carry frangible, but the teacher/employee WOULD be according to the way the bill currently reads.&nbsp; Doesn&#039;t make sense.&nbsp; Schools are full of kids.&nbsp; So are playgrounds and malls, and we don&#039;t expect &quot;safety slugs&quot; to be used in those situations.&nbsp; An MD-80 at 36000 feet?&nbsp;&nbsp; You might be able to sell me there.Just some thoughts.&nbsp; Dale, I don&#039;t know if you&#039;d be able to get an official government document describing the equipment air marshals are using without FOIA, but I could be wrong.&nbsp; In any case, I don&#039;t think we should be comparing airline tactical concerns with a school.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mons meg, post: 2152645, member: 90"] Sorry, yes, this is the "teacher carry" bill. As for authoritative sources, I know of no police departments that mandate ammo like Glaser "safety slugs". I really think they were confusing "frangible" with hollowpoint, but we should know more later today, I hope. Just so we're clear, frangible rounds are generally a cluster of pellets, (think birdshot) that is bound together with a type of glue and/or a copper shell. It's designed to expand rapidly once it encounters a soft target and "dump it's energy" which I think is code for "doesn't penetrate well". ;) Anyway, I found this article from 2005 regarding the air marshal service, seems they used to carry Glaser-type ammunition, but then they switched to .357sig hollowpoints in their P229s: [url]http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-07-air-marshals_x.htm[/url] And here: [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/13/20060613-123248-2105r/?page=all[/url] It's still apparently somewhat controversial, but the Air Marshal service has some unique tactical concerns. Another thing to consider? Existing SROs who are active duty LEOs aren't required to carry frangible, but the teacher/employee WOULD be according to the way the bill currently reads. Doesn't make sense. Schools are full of kids. So are playgrounds and malls, and we don't expect "safety slugs" to be used in those situations. An MD-80 at 36000 feet? You might be able to sell me there. Just some thoughts. Dale, I don't know if you'd be able to get an official government document describing the equipment air marshals are using without FOIA, but I could be wrong. In any case, I don't think we should be comparing airline tactical concerns with a school. [/QUOTE]

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