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<blockquote data-quote="english kanigit" data-source="post: 1407799" data-attributes="member: 4701"><p>After a 15 hour drive I am now two miles from Mexico and 3 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. I'm going to offer up a few points for your consideration before I sack out.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Milspec" involves a lot more stuff than just making sure the parts all fit together. Prime example would be the difference between commercial receiver extensions and milspec receiver extensions. According to the spec the parts are actually to be of aluminum that is forged and then machined (I believe the materiel is 7075.). The 'commercial' receiver extensions are typically extrusions of a softer aluminum, therefore they need to be thicker to get the same amount of strength out of the part. According to some I've heard the thickness of the commercial receiver extensions makes them superior as if packing more of an inferior material in an area can somehow mask it's inferiority.</p><p></p><p>This is also a common difference with charging handles. IE- milspec = forged vs commercial = extrusion. All parts are not the same.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, this comes back to a minimum standard. You can certainly exceed it and some makers do by leaps and bounds. Others seem to trip all over their clown shoes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Like anything else in life it comes down to your needs. I tend to look at my firearms the way I do a seatbelt or fire extinguisher. If I'm grabbing it, it <strong>needs</strong> to work.</p><p></p><p>If all you need is something for blasting at the plinking pit every third saturday or a prop for fancy internet photography there are certainly products out there that can accommodate you with the look and feel of an AR without the quality of substance or the associated price tag.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This I agree with. Operator error, like almost anything else firearm related, is a very big problem. One major contributor to that problem is the lore and tales that either get passed along institutionally (by the service) or person-to-person. This lore and ******** includes such wonderful things as, 'all parts are the same' and 'the gun will blow up if you don't stagger the bolt rings'. </p><p></p><p>That being said, an inexperienced owner mixed with a gun that isn't built correctly just is not going to end well. Knowledge can mitigate some things on a bad gun but a turd can only be polished so far.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just so that we can all be clear, things wear out when they get used. In it's simplest form a semi-automatic firearm is a combustion engine. If you run an engine with dirty oil or without oil for too long it will get damaged. Same thing for a high mileage gun. Ever notice how some brands of cars seem to last around 100k miles and then just bite the bullet and others can go 250-300k before needing an overhaul? Not all parts are the same. True for cars and for guns both.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, everyone who manufactures parts for these guns makes a certain percentage of crap parts. The good manufacturers simply makes less crap, do a better job of catching it before it hits the street or some combination of the two.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Bushmaster gets bashed on because they deserve it. Between incorrect twist rates on barrels to improperly staked carrier keys and chambers that don't match what they've stamped on the barrel there are plenty of reasons to avoid Bushmaster. They have earned their reputation; details really do matter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now I don't know as I don't pack and ship guns for DPMS but it is likely coated with a preservative, not lubricant. The rest of this has little bearing on the subject at hand. It's amazing how well machines run when you give them even just basic maintenance and care...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, very little bearing on the subject at hand. The quality (or lack thereof) of the guns can be enhanced (or not) by the modifications of the end user. If the end user doesn't know what they are doing the results will usually show this.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm off to bed.</p><p>Ek</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="english kanigit, post: 1407799, member: 4701"] After a 15 hour drive I am now two miles from Mexico and 3 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. I'm going to offer up a few points for your consideration before I sack out. "Milspec" involves a lot more stuff than just making sure the parts all fit together. Prime example would be the difference between commercial receiver extensions and milspec receiver extensions. According to the spec the parts are actually to be of aluminum that is forged and then machined (I believe the materiel is 7075.). The 'commercial' receiver extensions are typically extrusions of a softer aluminum, therefore they need to be thicker to get the same amount of strength out of the part. According to some I've heard the thickness of the commercial receiver extensions makes them superior as if packing more of an inferior material in an area can somehow mask it's inferiority. This is also a common difference with charging handles. IE- milspec = forged vs commercial = extrusion. All parts are not the same. Again, this comes back to a minimum standard. You can certainly exceed it and some makers do by leaps and bounds. Others seem to trip all over their clown shoes. Like anything else in life it comes down to your needs. I tend to look at my firearms the way I do a seatbelt or fire extinguisher. If I'm grabbing it, it [B]needs[/B] to work. If all you need is something for blasting at the plinking pit every third saturday or a prop for fancy internet photography there are certainly products out there that can accommodate you with the look and feel of an AR without the quality of substance or the associated price tag. This I agree with. Operator error, like almost anything else firearm related, is a very big problem. One major contributor to that problem is the lore and tales that either get passed along institutionally (by the service) or person-to-person. This lore and ******** includes such wonderful things as, 'all parts are the same' and 'the gun will blow up if you don't stagger the bolt rings'. That being said, an inexperienced owner mixed with a gun that isn't built correctly just is not going to end well. Knowledge can mitigate some things on a bad gun but a turd can only be polished so far. Just so that we can all be clear, things wear out when they get used. In it's simplest form a semi-automatic firearm is a combustion engine. If you run an engine with dirty oil or without oil for too long it will get damaged. Same thing for a high mileage gun. Ever notice how some brands of cars seem to last around 100k miles and then just bite the bullet and others can go 250-300k before needing an overhaul? Not all parts are the same. True for cars and for guns both. Additionally, everyone who manufactures parts for these guns makes a certain percentage of crap parts. The good manufacturers simply makes less crap, do a better job of catching it before it hits the street or some combination of the two. Bushmaster gets bashed on because they deserve it. Between incorrect twist rates on barrels to improperly staked carrier keys and chambers that don't match what they've stamped on the barrel there are plenty of reasons to avoid Bushmaster. They have earned their reputation; details really do matter. Now I don't know as I don't pack and ship guns for DPMS but it is likely coated with a preservative, not lubricant. The rest of this has little bearing on the subject at hand. It's amazing how well machines run when you give them even just basic maintenance and care... Again, very little bearing on the subject at hand. The quality (or lack thereof) of the guns can be enhanced (or not) by the modifications of the end user. If the end user doesn't know what they are doing the results will usually show this. I'm off to bed. Ek [/QUOTE]
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