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<blockquote data-quote="english kanigit" data-source="post: 1419816" data-attributes="member: 4701"><p>Kurt, I'm glad you posted that up. I had forgotten about this as kicking around south padre island and 'little mexico' was a bit distracting.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Honest answer? Damned if I know why I said that. The 1/9 twist rate isn't the best thing in the book but it's a good compromise for manufacturers that make a lot of commercial-grade guns. The thing that kept going through my head as I typed this was the miss-marked chambers that bushmaster and others seem to put out as a regular feature.</p><p></p><p>Having a gun marked '5.56' when the chamber is actually a .223 is bad news. The tighter dimensions of the .223 chamber are a problem when using 5.56 ammo as it leads to things like stuck cases, popped primers that get stuck in all sorts of interesting places and often tie up the gun. </p><p></p><p>When the company <strong>manufacturing</strong> the gun can't be troubled to accurately mark the gun as to it's critical dimensions that leads me to conclude that most of what they do is suspect.</p><p></p><p>Your mileage may vary of course.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing parts that meet a specific need that you may have. Hell, that's what keeps places like Brownells in business. This assumes of course that the person needing the parts is adequate to the task of making sure they get what they need. While I'm sure you are up to the task of taking care of YOUR needs that's not the original purpose of this thread which is setting a new guy up with a first AR.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks for putting up the bit from Howe. From what I've heard out of friends who know him or have trained with him he's an all-around good dude. I look forward to taking several of his classes at some point.</p><p></p><p>That being said there is no need to start a new person off with stuff that may be questionable. This comes back to that whole 'minimum standard' thing. Nowadays there are too many manufacturers making good solid guns and doing so affordably to mess with others that have not always done the same.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First, I would imagine that if Kurt felt it necessary to toot his horn he would've done so. I would refer you to the points I hit on above about a minimum standard. Again, this is especially pertinent for somebody new to Stoner's system.</p><p></p><p>Second, from what I gather ATAS means "All Tactical And ****". Maybe it's just me but I prefer "All <strong>Functional</strong> And ****. <img src="/images/smilies/screwy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":screwy:" title="Screwy :screwy:" data-shortname=":screwy:" /></p><p></p><p>As for the matches it's been on the to-do list for a while. The 'practical' rifle matches would probably be more to my taste though.</p><p></p><p>Ek</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="english kanigit, post: 1419816, member: 4701"] Kurt, I'm glad you posted that up. I had forgotten about this as kicking around south padre island and 'little mexico' was a bit distracting. Honest answer? Damned if I know why I said that. The 1/9 twist rate isn't the best thing in the book but it's a good compromise for manufacturers that make a lot of commercial-grade guns. The thing that kept going through my head as I typed this was the miss-marked chambers that bushmaster and others seem to put out as a regular feature. Having a gun marked '5.56' when the chamber is actually a .223 is bad news. The tighter dimensions of the .223 chamber are a problem when using 5.56 ammo as it leads to things like stuck cases, popped primers that get stuck in all sorts of interesting places and often tie up the gun. When the company [B]manufacturing[/B] the gun can't be troubled to accurately mark the gun as to it's critical dimensions that leads me to conclude that most of what they do is suspect. Your mileage may vary of course. There is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing parts that meet a specific need that you may have. Hell, that's what keeps places like Brownells in business. This assumes of course that the person needing the parts is adequate to the task of making sure they get what they need. While I'm sure you are up to the task of taking care of YOUR needs that's not the original purpose of this thread which is setting a new guy up with a first AR. Thanks for putting up the bit from Howe. From what I've heard out of friends who know him or have trained with him he's an all-around good dude. I look forward to taking several of his classes at some point. That being said there is no need to start a new person off with stuff that may be questionable. This comes back to that whole 'minimum standard' thing. Nowadays there are too many manufacturers making good solid guns and doing so affordably to mess with others that have not always done the same. First, I would imagine that if Kurt felt it necessary to toot his horn he would've done so. I would refer you to the points I hit on above about a minimum standard. Again, this is especially pertinent for somebody new to Stoner's system. Second, from what I gather ATAS means "All Tactical And ****". Maybe it's just me but I prefer "All [B]Functional[/B] And ****. :screwy: As for the matches it's been on the to-do list for a while. The 'practical' rifle matches would probably be more to my taste though. Ek [/QUOTE]
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