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<blockquote data-quote="Rod Snell" data-source="post: 2574439" data-attributes="member: 796">Suicides are the joker in the deck in any &quot;gun violence&quot; study, since suicide rates are often higher in &quot;no guns&quot; areas than in, say, Oklahoma, but guns are used more often in suicides in OK simply because they ARE available.Lott has covered this more than once.Japan is the classic example, when guns are seldom used for suicide, so they look much more &quot;peaceful&quot; than Oklahoma based on that one carefully crafted statistic, but the fact is that Japan&#039;s suicide rate is one of the world&#039;s highest.&nbsp; They simply use other means to kill themselves, &quot;so it doesn&#039;t count.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; ????????????????Having taught statistics, I point to the old saw that &quot;there are plain lies, fancy lies, and statistics.&quot;&nbsp; Let me define the groupings, and I can get you any statistical answer you want.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rod Snell, post: 2574439, member: 796"] Suicides are the joker in the deck in any "gun violence" study, since suicide rates are often higher in "no guns" areas than in, say, Oklahoma, but guns are used more often in suicides in OK simply because they ARE available. Lott has covered this more than once. Japan is the classic example, when guns are seldom used for suicide, so they look much more "peaceful" than Oklahoma based on that one carefully crafted statistic, but the fact is that Japan's suicide rate is one of the world's highest. They simply use other means to kill themselves, "so it doesn't count." ???????????????? Having taught statistics, I point to the old saw that "there are plain lies, fancy lies, and statistics." Let me define the groupings, and I can get you any statistical answer you want. [/QUOTE]

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