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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 3802368" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>The problem I see is all the manufacturers rushing to go pure EV. GM, Subaru, Volvo, etc. have committed to go EV only in the near future. Pure electric isn't the way to go and may not be for 50 years or more. Simply put, our national electric grid is not going to support everyone switching to EV only vehicles. If your power grid is out for any reason, you're stranded.</p><p></p><p>I recently researched PHEV's, or plug in hybrids. I was shocked that Honda doesn't even have one now. There are a total of 34 models on sale this year. Of the 34, a full 20 of them are in the luxury class and start over $50K MSRP (not that you can touch one for MSRP right now). Overall, the price range goes from $27,845 for a base Hyundai Ioniq, to $507,000 for a base Ferrari SF90 Stradale.</p><p></p><p>The problems I see are that none of them fill two baseline objectives. One would be a commuter car with the highest pure EV efficiency, that will go at least 50 miles on EV-only, and starts under $30K. The closest is the Ford Escape PHEV starting at $34,785, which will go 37 miles on EV-only, with a combined 105 MPGe rating. If they made this chassis with a low drag 2 or 3 door coupe design on top, I think they could get 50 miles EV-only range and come in under $30K for a base model. BTW, there are NO 2 or 3 door coupe PHEV's on sale, which seems foolish since most miles driven in America are daily work commutes with one person in the vehicle.</p><p></p><p>The other objective would be a people and tow/haul SUV/truck platform that will carry 5 people comfortably and have a 5,000lb tow rating, again with a 50 mile EV-only range and say a base price in the $50K range. The Toyota Rav4 Prime is as close as it gets right now. It has a EV-only range of 42 miles (one of the best available) and a combined 94 MPGe rating. It's not slow either. With a combined 302hp, it's quicker to 60 than a base Supra and carries a 10-year, 150,000-mile battery warranty. The problems are it's a bit cramped inside, it only tows 3,000lbs and even though base MSRP is $41K, most of the ones available are selling for $50-$65K with ADM markup.</p><p></p><p>The only one that meets the tow capacity is the Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring at 5,600lbs, but it's $69.875K and only goes 21 miles on EV-only with a combined 56 MPGe. Once the battery runs out, you're back to a SUV that gets about 23mpg unloaded, and far less towing something heavy. At least this one will move out of it's own way in either mode, which is something quite a few PHEV's struggle with, especially when the short EV range runs out.</p><p></p><p>So it seems to me that PHEV's haven't fully matured, and may not mature at all if the manufacturers are pushed into EV only by the left. Even with PHEV's, the technology needs to incorporate smart charging. Not just for the sake of the batteries, but also to make sure you have the option to only charge during off-peak hours so you're getting the most economical kWh from your electric company.</p><p></p><p>I'd like to have a PHEV in the near future as a hedge against high gas prices, but none of them meet my needs as of now. <img src="/images/smilies/frown.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 3802368, member: 1132"] The problem I see is all the manufacturers rushing to go pure EV. GM, Subaru, Volvo, etc. have committed to go EV only in the near future. Pure electric isn't the way to go and may not be for 50 years or more. Simply put, our national electric grid is not going to support everyone switching to EV only vehicles. If your power grid is out for any reason, you're stranded. I recently researched PHEV's, or plug in hybrids. I was shocked that Honda doesn't even have one now. There are a total of 34 models on sale this year. Of the 34, a full 20 of them are in the luxury class and start over $50K MSRP (not that you can touch one for MSRP right now). Overall, the price range goes from $27,845 for a base Hyundai Ioniq, to $507,000 for a base Ferrari SF90 Stradale. The problems I see are that none of them fill two baseline objectives. One would be a commuter car with the highest pure EV efficiency, that will go at least 50 miles on EV-only, and starts under $30K. The closest is the Ford Escape PHEV starting at $34,785, which will go 37 miles on EV-only, with a combined 105 MPGe rating. If they made this chassis with a low drag 2 or 3 door coupe design on top, I think they could get 50 miles EV-only range and come in under $30K for a base model. BTW, there are NO 2 or 3 door coupe PHEV's on sale, which seems foolish since most miles driven in America are daily work commutes with one person in the vehicle. The other objective would be a people and tow/haul SUV/truck platform that will carry 5 people comfortably and have a 5,000lb tow rating, again with a 50 mile EV-only range and say a base price in the $50K range. The Toyota Rav4 Prime is as close as it gets right now. It has a EV-only range of 42 miles (one of the best available) and a combined 94 MPGe rating. It's not slow either. With a combined 302hp, it's quicker to 60 than a base Supra and carries a 10-year, 150,000-mile battery warranty. The problems are it's a bit cramped inside, it only tows 3,000lbs and even though base MSRP is $41K, most of the ones available are selling for $50-$65K with ADM markup. The only one that meets the tow capacity is the Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring at 5,600lbs, but it's $69.875K and only goes 21 miles on EV-only with a combined 56 MPGe. Once the battery runs out, you're back to a SUV that gets about 23mpg unloaded, and far less towing something heavy. At least this one will move out of it's own way in either mode, which is something quite a few PHEV's struggle with, especially when the short EV range runs out. So it seems to me that PHEV's haven't fully matured, and may not mature at all if the manufacturers are pushed into EV only by the left. Even with PHEV's, the technology needs to incorporate smart charging. Not just for the sake of the batteries, but also to make sure you have the option to only charge during off-peak hours so you're getting the most economical kWh from your electric company. I'd like to have a PHEV in the near future as a hedge against high gas prices, but none of them meet my needs as of now. :( [/QUOTE]
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