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Holder limits seized-asset sharing process that split billions w/ local, state police
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<blockquote data-quote="_CY_" data-source="post: 2884070" data-attributes="member: 7629"><p>sorry I don't have specific cases, data comes from Loveless. that's why I've noted my comments are based on the assumption Loveless' data is correct. Loveless is alleging 99% of all seizures in Oklahoma are under $50k with an average of about $1,200.</p><p></p><p>whereas your examples of interdiction of drug carriers involve huge amounts of drugs and/or cash. which is clearly not the case for smaller average $1,200 seizures. again .. it's my belief that the average $1,200 seizure are financially not feasible to recover due to attorney costs involved. The numbers says virtually all seized funds will NOT be recovered regardless if defendant and/or citizen were charged or not.</p><p></p><p>this is flat not right and to me a clear violation of the forth amendment. last I heard our court system is based on the presumption of innocence. which is handily stepped around by filing charges against the asset, NOT the defendant and/or citizen that was never charged. this of course is total BS! and IMHO a violation of the 4th amendment.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 22px">'No justice at all': Sen. Loveless unveils details on civil asset forfeiture reform plan </span></p><p><a href="http://www.normantranscript.com/news/oklahoma/no-justice-at-all-sen-loveless-unveils-details-on-civil/article_a96da58d-7ce2-5c3a-b67a-b942602681f0.html" target="_blank">http://www.normantranscript.com/news/oklahoma/no-justice-at-all-sen-loveless-unveils-details-on-civil/article_a96da58d-7ce2-5c3a-b67a-b942602681f0.html</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf/2015-16%20int/sb/SB838%20int.doc" target="_blank">SB 838</a> by <a href="http://www.oksenate.gov/Senators/biographies/loveless_bio.html" target="_blank">Loveless</a> and <a href="http://www.okhouse.gov/District.aspx?District=90" target="_blank">Echols</a></p><p><a href="http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb838" target="_blank">http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb838</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2015-16%20INT/SB/SB838%20INT.PDF" target="_blank">http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2015-16 INT/SB/SB838 INT.PDF</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="_CY_, post: 2884070, member: 7629"] sorry I don't have specific cases, data comes from Loveless. that's why I've noted my comments are based on the assumption Loveless' data is correct. Loveless is alleging 99% of all seizures in Oklahoma are under $50k with an average of about $1,200. whereas your examples of interdiction of drug carriers involve huge amounts of drugs and/or cash. which is clearly not the case for smaller average $1,200 seizures. again .. it's my belief that the average $1,200 seizure are financially not feasible to recover due to attorney costs involved. The numbers says virtually all seized funds will NOT be recovered regardless if defendant and/or citizen were charged or not. this is flat not right and to me a clear violation of the forth amendment. last I heard our court system is based on the presumption of innocence. which is handily stepped around by filing charges against the asset, NOT the defendant and/or citizen that was never charged. this of course is total BS! and IMHO a violation of the 4th amendment. [SIZE=6]'No justice at all': Sen. Loveless unveils details on civil asset forfeiture reform plan [/SIZE] [URL]http://www.normantranscript.com/news/oklahoma/no-justice-at-all-sen-loveless-unveils-details-on-civil/article_a96da58d-7ce2-5c3a-b67a-b942602681f0.html[/URL] [URL='http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf/2015-16%20int/sb/SB838%20int.doc']SB 838[/URL] by [URL='http://www.oksenate.gov/Senators/biographies/loveless_bio.html']Loveless[/URL] and [URL='http://www.okhouse.gov/District.aspx?District=90']Echols[/URL] [URL]http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb838[/URL] [URL]http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2015-16%20INT/SB/SB838%20INT.PDF[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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