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<blockquote data-quote="inactive" data-source="post: 2020546" data-attributes="member: 7488">Mainstreaming kids like this is one of the best things that can happen for many of them.&nbsp; It&#039;s a bit of a double-edged sword, as I&#039;m sure you know better than I, since the kids needs challenged but also can be tormented ruthlessly by the rest of the school and society.&nbsp; So there&#039;s a balance that needs stuck.&nbsp; But I totally agree that challenging these kids is one of the best things that can happen to them.&nbsp; Self-awareness of their condition is one of the best ways of helping them move forward, as long as it&#039;s introduced correctly.Well, mental health and societal problems such as poverty, broken homes, crime and drug culture, etc. are NOT unrelated.&nbsp; You can&#039;t really isolate these when looking at the population on the whole.Damn right, Lurker66.&nbsp; &quot;It&#039;s not my problem&quot; so we&#039;ll just lock &#039;em in a closet and they&#039;ll get help there.&nbsp; Because the private prison business model works on rehabilitation and not recidivism.&nbsp; Seems legit.&nbsp; <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D" data-shortname=":D" />Preach on, Dennis.&nbsp; I was the son of a single dad.&nbsp; One of the biggest things I realize as a grown man is my father is my BEST friend now by holding me accountable back then.&nbsp; He knew I was his problem <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D" data-shortname=":D" /> and not the school&#039;s, or my grandparent&#039;s, or even my own when I was still in my early teens.&nbsp; Looking back, I was never that much worried about getting in &quot;trouble&quot; or punished when I screwed up as much as I was worried I would disappoint him (and to an extent, myself).&nbsp; The spanking never bothered me (so he never really had to do it at all), but the looks and voices of him being let down sure did.&nbsp; I think that means he was doing it right.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; And you&#039;re right - too many parents too caught up in their own hobbies, their own toys, or sadly their own careers to give their kids a second thought nowadays.&nbsp; On the topic of mental illness, I think many parents are in denial about what they think may be an illness with their children, for fear of the stigma attached and/or the &quot;extra work&quot; they&#039;d face with a child with different or additional needs.&nbsp; It&#039;s quite possibly the most heinous form of selfishness.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="inactive, post: 2020546, member: 7488"] Mainstreaming kids like this is one of the best things that can happen for many of them. It's a bit of a double-edged sword, as I'm sure you know better than I, since the kids needs challenged but also can be tormented ruthlessly by the rest of the school and society. So there's a balance that needs stuck. But I totally agree that challenging these kids is one of the best things that can happen to them. Self-awareness of their condition is one of the best ways of helping them move forward, as long as it's introduced correctly. Well, mental health and societal problems such as poverty, broken homes, crime and drug culture, etc. are NOT unrelated. You can't really isolate these when looking at the population on the whole. Damn right, Lurker66. "It's not my problem" so we'll just lock 'em in a closet and they'll get help there. Because the private prison business model works on rehabilitation and not recidivism. Seems legit. :D Preach on, Dennis. I was the son of a single dad. One of the biggest things I realize as a grown man is my father is my BEST friend now by holding me accountable back then. He knew I was [I]his [/I]problem :D and not the school's, or my grandparent's, or even my own when I was still in my early teens. Looking back, I was never that much worried about getting in "trouble" or punished when I screwed up as much as I was worried I would disappoint him (and to an extent, myself). The spanking never bothered me (so he never really had to do it at all), but the looks and voices of him being let down sure did. I think that means he was doing it right. And you're right - too many parents too caught up in their own hobbies, their own toys, or sadly their own careers to give their kids a second thought nowadays. On the topic of mental illness, I think many parents are in denial about what they think may be an illness with their children, for fear of the stigma attached and/or the "extra work" they'd face with a child with different or additional needs. It's quite possibly the most heinous form of selfishness. [/QUOTE]

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