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I had a run in with a CCW'er last night...
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<blockquote data-quote="Robert871" data-source="post: 1593817" data-attributes="member: 10963"><p>You were totally correct in your actions, naturally. ideally she should have announced aloud that she has a ccw and its in the glove box, next to where the insurance verification is. </p><p></p><p>but (and i am not trying to degrade your side, nor empower hers), i can see from her side too. she just got pulled over, chances are she know shes in trouble for speeding or whatever, we do not think clearly, so we follows orders, once she handed her ccw permit, her brain told her that problem was covered and immediately focused on getting the insurance which was the final part of her instruction. i see nothing odd about the placement of the insurance verification, i keep mine in the little owners manual in the glove box too, makes perfect sense to have it there, its always with the vehicle, and the book has a card holder for it... i can also see the glove box being a common place for the pistol. i personally do not keep mine there, but im sure many people do. just the way it went, i mean when you screw up and are in trouble, im sure you are flustered and forgetful too. i would certainly not say shes not suited to have a ccw, at least that this situation would prove shes not.... </p><p></p><p>with that said, its no ones fault, the police do what they need to do, and rightly so; i think we have all seen at least one or two of those horrifying clips of camera footage of an officer pulling over a person for a routine traffic violation only to be shot dead with no warning, its a tough job and you have to always be on your game, i would not change a thing in your actions in this situation. </p><p></p><p>if anything could be done to have helped this been a more smooth stop, i suppose it would be education, to keep up and have maybe brought the idea to the for front of her mind that she should have announced that she had the pistol there to both police officers, instead of just letting the monkey brain take over and say "well now i gotta grab the insurance card, i hope i do not get a ticket". in fact i can guarantee that is exactly what was going on in her head, simply never thought twice that it was in there and was an issue after handing the permit to your partner; granted it certainly should have.</p><p></p><p>EDIT:</p><p>maybe this is a whole different can of worms to open up.. and i have put no legal thought or piratical thought to this so please do not hold me to it; but has anyone suggested incorporating asking if the person has a weapon on them, or a ccw permit when engaging in a traffic stop?</p><p></p><p></p><p>i mean i know we are required to inform them of it, but would it not make it more simple and give the officer more control of the stop by insuring a straight answer and motive, i mean if she said no i don't, and then you see the gun huge red flag. but had you been able to ask and she said yes, the next obvious question would have been where is it, "oh its in the glove box right next to my insurance" crisis adverted. </p><p></p><p>just seems like an obvious question anymore, with the growing masses of people getting ccws.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Robert871, post: 1593817, member: 10963"] You were totally correct in your actions, naturally. ideally she should have announced aloud that she has a ccw and its in the glove box, next to where the insurance verification is. but (and i am not trying to degrade your side, nor empower hers), i can see from her side too. she just got pulled over, chances are she know shes in trouble for speeding or whatever, we do not think clearly, so we follows orders, once she handed her ccw permit, her brain told her that problem was covered and immediately focused on getting the insurance which was the final part of her instruction. i see nothing odd about the placement of the insurance verification, i keep mine in the little owners manual in the glove box too, makes perfect sense to have it there, its always with the vehicle, and the book has a card holder for it... i can also see the glove box being a common place for the pistol. i personally do not keep mine there, but im sure many people do. just the way it went, i mean when you screw up and are in trouble, im sure you are flustered and forgetful too. i would certainly not say shes not suited to have a ccw, at least that this situation would prove shes not.... with that said, its no ones fault, the police do what they need to do, and rightly so; i think we have all seen at least one or two of those horrifying clips of camera footage of an officer pulling over a person for a routine traffic violation only to be shot dead with no warning, its a tough job and you have to always be on your game, i would not change a thing in your actions in this situation. if anything could be done to have helped this been a more smooth stop, i suppose it would be education, to keep up and have maybe brought the idea to the for front of her mind that she should have announced that she had the pistol there to both police officers, instead of just letting the monkey brain take over and say "well now i gotta grab the insurance card, i hope i do not get a ticket". in fact i can guarantee that is exactly what was going on in her head, simply never thought twice that it was in there and was an issue after handing the permit to your partner; granted it certainly should have. EDIT: maybe this is a whole different can of worms to open up.. and i have put no legal thought or piratical thought to this so please do not hold me to it; but has anyone suggested incorporating asking if the person has a weapon on them, or a ccw permit when engaging in a traffic stop? i mean i know we are required to inform them of it, but would it not make it more simple and give the officer more control of the stop by insuring a straight answer and motive, i mean if she said no i don't, and then you see the gun huge red flag. but had you been able to ask and she said yes, the next obvious question would have been where is it, "oh its in the glove box right next to my insurance" crisis adverted. just seems like an obvious question anymore, with the growing masses of people getting ccws. [/QUOTE]
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