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I had a run in with a CCW'er last night...
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<blockquote data-quote="Liv2Dive2" data-source="post: 1602351" data-attributes="member: 19455"><p>I had a similar experience last week I'd like to share... First the background...It was a weekend night, about 0100 hrs, got behind a late model 4 door Lexus, occupied by two individuals, driver was a large male, passenger was an unknown (turned out it was a woman, but she had her hair pulled back in a tight ponytail so I couldn't tell from the rear) stop was for a tag light, no big deal, was on a major 4 lane divided road, initiated the stop, approached on the passenger side alone as I didn't have a cover officer there as we ride solo, (I try to always approach on the passenger side to the max extent possible as it gives me a better view of the vehicle, tends to throw the folks in the car off, and is much harder for them to shoot at me if they choose to do so) </p><p></p><p>On my approach I've got my light out, thumb print on the rear of the car, scan the back seat before I make contact. Everything looks ok so I stay behind the pillar and make contact...the passenger is very unimpressed and clearly has an attitude. I ask for drivers info, he doesn't have his license but does know is DL number, I take that down, and for the registration and insurance, (normally I ask where the paperwork is located, and if there's anything in that area I need to be aware of) I didn't this time...passenger states it's her car and opens the glove box...</p><p></p><p>Now is where it gets interesting...inside the glove box is a holstered Bersa 380...she hasn't told me about it, and in SC it's legal for her to have it there...she does have a CWP, but doesn't have to notify me of if as it's not on her person...I immediately tell her to stop and not to reach into the glove box...she stops...I didn't pull my weapon, I maintained control through a strong command presence and voice commands, now I had my hand on my weapon, but I don't think it was necessary to draw it at that point...as soon as she stopped moving I told her I was going to secure the weapon until the stop was over...she complied and I reached in took the weapon and placed it on the roof out of both of their reach, while keeping a very close eye on both occupants...</p><p></p><p>Turns out she's an attorney...not a very bright one...but an attorney none the less. Now, like I said she had a CWP, and was doing nothing wrong but common sense should have told her to notify me of the pistol, but I think pulling my weapon in my case would have been excessive, for a couple of reasons...the first is that the weapon was in a holster with a snap...so she could not have quickly engaged me, second she complied immediately with my verbal commands, had she kept moving towards the gun and ignored my verbal commands the situation could have changed very quickly or if the gun was upholstered that would change things...</p><p></p><p>I've been an LEO for a few years now, so I understand our mentality. I don't know all the facts of the other officers experience, such as body language and other non verbal’s, type of car, location of stop, time of day or night, current intel, and whether the weapon was in a holster with any type of retention. All of those would play into how I would handle the situation...given the limited info we have about this stop if the weapon was in a holster with any type of retention I would say he may have over reacted...but maybe not depending on the totality of the circumstances. </p><p></p><p>Bottom line is, as a CWP holder you need to be smart...always be very courteous of LEOs, a smile will help, realize if they pulled you over there is probably a reason, also recognize they do not know you, and if they've been at it for a while they will be suspicious of everyone...it's how we stay alive so don't play into that...don't make fast or furtive movements, keep your hands on the steering wheel and be honest...My lawyer friend should have said "Officer I have my Bersa 380 in the glove box in a holster, how do you want me to proceed" and then waited for direction. </p><p></p><p>Just my .02</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Liv2Dive2, post: 1602351, member: 19455"] I had a similar experience last week I'd like to share... First the background...It was a weekend night, about 0100 hrs, got behind a late model 4 door Lexus, occupied by two individuals, driver was a large male, passenger was an unknown (turned out it was a woman, but she had her hair pulled back in a tight ponytail so I couldn't tell from the rear) stop was for a tag light, no big deal, was on a major 4 lane divided road, initiated the stop, approached on the passenger side alone as I didn't have a cover officer there as we ride solo, (I try to always approach on the passenger side to the max extent possible as it gives me a better view of the vehicle, tends to throw the folks in the car off, and is much harder for them to shoot at me if they choose to do so) On my approach I've got my light out, thumb print on the rear of the car, scan the back seat before I make contact. Everything looks ok so I stay behind the pillar and make contact...the passenger is very unimpressed and clearly has an attitude. I ask for drivers info, he doesn't have his license but does know is DL number, I take that down, and for the registration and insurance, (normally I ask where the paperwork is located, and if there's anything in that area I need to be aware of) I didn't this time...passenger states it's her car and opens the glove box... Now is where it gets interesting...inside the glove box is a holstered Bersa 380...she hasn't told me about it, and in SC it's legal for her to have it there...she does have a CWP, but doesn't have to notify me of if as it's not on her person...I immediately tell her to stop and not to reach into the glove box...she stops...I didn't pull my weapon, I maintained control through a strong command presence and voice commands, now I had my hand on my weapon, but I don't think it was necessary to draw it at that point...as soon as she stopped moving I told her I was going to secure the weapon until the stop was over...she complied and I reached in took the weapon and placed it on the roof out of both of their reach, while keeping a very close eye on both occupants... Turns out she's an attorney...not a very bright one...but an attorney none the less. Now, like I said she had a CWP, and was doing nothing wrong but common sense should have told her to notify me of the pistol, but I think pulling my weapon in my case would have been excessive, for a couple of reasons...the first is that the weapon was in a holster with a snap...so she could not have quickly engaged me, second she complied immediately with my verbal commands, had she kept moving towards the gun and ignored my verbal commands the situation could have changed very quickly or if the gun was upholstered that would change things... I've been an LEO for a few years now, so I understand our mentality. I don't know all the facts of the other officers experience, such as body language and other non verbal’s, type of car, location of stop, time of day or night, current intel, and whether the weapon was in a holster with any type of retention. All of those would play into how I would handle the situation...given the limited info we have about this stop if the weapon was in a holster with any type of retention I would say he may have over reacted...but maybe not depending on the totality of the circumstances. Bottom line is, as a CWP holder you need to be smart...always be very courteous of LEOs, a smile will help, realize if they pulled you over there is probably a reason, also recognize they do not know you, and if they've been at it for a while they will be suspicious of everyone...it's how we stay alive so don't play into that...don't make fast or furtive movements, keep your hands on the steering wheel and be honest...My lawyer friend should have said "Officer I have my Bersa 380 in the glove box in a holster, how do you want me to proceed" and then waited for direction. Just my .02 [/QUOTE]
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