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Identifying/dating an old Luger

Discussion in 'Firearms Chat' started by adamsredlines, Mar 22, 2021.

  1. adamsredlines

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    A coworker inherited a Luger...is there anywhere online he can look up markings and serial numbers and such?

    I know next to nothing about them...except they can be quite historic.
     
  2. MacFromOK

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    Identifying/dating an old Luger

    Never mind. Sorry, thought you might have misspelled "Cougar" ...
    :drunk2:
     
  3. xseler

    xseler These are not the firearms you're looking for.

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    I can send you some info when I get home Wednesday. It’s saved on my computer. There are a ton of variables on Lugers. Do you have any pics of the markings?
     
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    Catt57 Gill-Gun Guru

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    Luger Proof/Acceptance Mark Identification Guide (1898-1945)
    https://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/GLP.php

    Also beware that the high dollar one's have been known to be faked. In some cases it takes a real expert to know the difference. (And also not a recent trend.)
     
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  5. adamsredlines

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    I'll see if he'll share pics of the markings. I was going to send him a link to this discussion to read through and see if he can get somewhere with it regardless.
     
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    http://www.lugerforum.com/

    This is an example of the information on this site.

    VARIATIONS OF THE LUGER PISTOL

    Model Type Caliber Barrel Length Remarks
    1898 Transition 7.65m/m Bor. ? Tested and disapproved by the Swiss Govt.
    1899 Transition 7.65 ? Tested and approved by the Svviss Govt.
    May, 1899.
    1900 Commercial 7.65 43/4" No engraving over chamber.
    1900 Swiss Commercial 7 65 43/4" Swiss Cross over chamber. Other than
    military serial numbers.
    1900 Swiss Military 7.65 43/4" Swiss Cross over chamber. Nurn.bered in
    military scrial number range.
    1900 American Eagle 7.65 43/4" American Eagle over chamber.
    1900 American Eagle (U.S.)Ä) 7.65 43/4" American Eagle over chamber. U. S. Ord
    nance bomb proof marks.
    1900 Bulgarian 7.65 43/4" Bulgarian Lion over chamber.
    1900 Experimental 7.65 7" Initials "G.L.," adjustable rear s;ght, 100.
    600 meters, NO proof marks.
    *1900 7.65 43/4" Issued to German officers for service in
    Boxer Rebellion
    *1900 7.65 43/4" Tested bY the Swedish, 1903Ä1904. Disap
    proved in favor of Browning.
    *1900 7.65 43/4" Ttsted by the Austrians, 1904.
    *1900?(or 1900/06) 7.65 43/4" Tested by the Spanish prior to 1906
    *1900?(or 1900/06) 7.65 43/4" JRelporltge0dly adopted by Luxemburg pri^r to
    *1900?(or 1900/06) 7.65 43/4" Renort;dlv adopted by Norway prior to
    *1900?(or 1900/06) 7.65 43/4" Tested by the Russians prior to 190S.
    *1900?(or 1900/06) 7.65 43/4" Tested by the Canadians prior to 1908.
    *1900?(or 1900/06) 7.65 43/4" Reportedly adoPted by Portugal prior to
    *1900?(or 1900/06) 7.65 43/4" IRge0p8ortedly adopted by Brazil prior to
    *1900?(or 1900/06) 7.65 43/4" Reportedly adoPted bY Chile prior to 1908.

    NOTE: All of the types of the Model 1900 have a grip safety and DO NOT ha k I
    unless otherwise noted. Stock lugs available on special order only ve a stoc ug
    Caliber 7.65 refers to 7.65m/m Luger; caliber 9 refers to 9m/m Luger.

    1902 Commercial 9 4" No engraving over chamber.
    1902 American Eagle 9 4" American EagRe over chamber.
    1902 American Eagle 9 4" American Eagle over chamber, cartridge
    counter in grip
    *1902 Dutch 9 4"

    NOTE: The Model 1902 has an cxceptionally thick barrel peculiar only to this model.

    1902Ä03 Carbine 7.65 113/4 Wooden foreÄend, rear sight adjustable
    from 100 to .sno meters.
    FDenotes not definitely authenticated.
    ? Denotes uncertainty of correct designation.


    Model Type Caliber Barrel Length Remarks
    1902Ä03 Carbine 9 113/4" Same as abovc except for caliber.
    NOTE: The Luger Carbine was the first definite production model to have a stock lug.
    1904 Naval 9 6" Rear sight adjustable for 100 and 200 meters. Stock lug, "GELADEN" on extractor, "GESICHERT" under thumb safety, NO proof marks
    NOTE: All of the foregoing are the "Old" model. Those below are the "New" model. All subsequent types are marked "GELADEN" on the extractor unless otherwise noted.

    1906 Experimental (U.S. Army
    Test) .45 ACP 5tt Initials 'G.L.", no proof marks. 2 made.
    "Loaded on extractor
    1900Ä06 Commercial 7.65 43/4tt No engraving over chamber.
    1900Ä06 Swiss
    r @ 1 7 ;:c ^3/~! Swiss Cross over chamber, other than mili
    ~ommercla. , .Uv _/4 tary serial numbers.
    1900Ä06 Swiss
    Militar 7 65 43/,, Swiss Cross over chamber, numbered in
    Y _ /4 military serial number range.
    1900Ä06 Swiss 7.65 43/4 Swiks Cross over chamber, German proof
    1900Ä06 Swiss Police 7.65 43/4 bSwiss Cross on matted shield over cham
    1900Ä06 Swiss 7.65 4/4 mwarsksS C,,rEsRsFouvRrT,,chamber German proof
    1900Ä06 American
    Eagle 7.65 4/4 ED'e' ioCnanextEragclte over chamberfi "LOAD
    1900Ä06 Portuguese 7.65 43/,, Crown oVercAMRREnGdAiDtAeF 011 extractor
    1900Ä06 Portuguese ? 7.65 43/4 Shamebas above except no engraving ovcr
    *1900Ä06 Bulgarian 7.65 43/4tt Bulgarian Lion over CHAMBER, Cyrillics
    on extractor.
    *1900Ä06 French 7.65 43h4t ~Cross of Lorraine over chamber.
    *1900Ä06 Dutch 7.65
    1900Ä06 Type
    ~ _ _ *7 tE A<//t Special sear change mechanism patentcd
    IsXperimentaX l.UJ ~</4 by Navarro Bros., Celaya, Mexico (1914.)
    el900Ä06 Commercial 7.65 7%2 No engraving over chamber,
    l9v2Ä06 Commercial 9 4tw No engraving over chamber.
    1902Ä06 American
    Eagle 9 4tt American Eagle over chamber, no proof
    marks, "LOADED" on extractor.
    1902Ä06 American
    Eacrle 9 4tt American Eagle over chamber, German
    Et proof marks, "GELADEN" on extractor.
    1902Ä06 Dutch 9 4tt "DWM", date on BARREL, brass Dlate on
    left side of frame, "GELADEN" on
    ROTH sides of extractor, "RUST" above
    thumb safetY.
    1902Ä06 Dutch 9 4,, Same as above except no date.
    1902Ä06 Russian 9 4tt Crossed Rifles over chamber, Cyrillic
    TYPE markings.

    NOTE: All above models HAVE a grip safety and DO NOT have a stock lug, unless otherwise noted. All of the following types have "GESICHERT" under thumb safety lever, unless otherwise noted.
    ~Denotes not definitely authenticated. ? Denotes uncertainty of correct designation.


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    Model Type Caliber Barrel Length Remarks
    1904Ä06 Naval 9 meterS sgtockaldugustnaabveal for If 00 and 200
    1904Ä06 Naval
    Commercial 7.65 6" Same as above except with commercial
    1904Ä06 Naval
    Commercial 9 6" Same as above except for caliber.

    NOTE All foregoing model and varAaFiEnsAIl AGeVrEmangrmPOdels bYelow are known a the PistOIe
    08 (P.08) in Germany. NONE of the following variations have a grip safety unless other
    wise noted.
    1908 Commercial 9 Proof marks and seriCahlanmbeb iCommercia
    1908 Military 9 4tw "DWM", no holdopen no stock lug.
    1908 Military 9 4wE "ERFURT", no holdopen, no stock lug.
    1908 Military 9 4tt "DWM", holdopen, no stock lug.
    1908 Military 9 4tt "ERFURT", holdopen, no stock lug.
    1908 Military 9 4tt "DWM", holdopen added, no stock lug.
    1908 Military 9 4/~ "ERFURT", holdopen added, no stock lug.
    1908 Military 9 4tt "DWM", holdopen, stock lug.
    1908 Military 9 4~ "ERFURT", holdopen, stock lug.
    1908 Turkish 9 4tt "DWM", Turkish markings.
    1908 Type "DWM" over CHAMBER, Bulgarian Lion
    Bulgarian 9 4,, on toggdeb CtYhrillibC Smaafrekty glever lanYard
    loov at bottom of backstraP on frame.
    *1908 Type
    Ethiopian 9 4tt Ethiopian Coat of Arms & markings.
    *1908 Type
    Finnish 9 4tt Finnish Coat of Arms dit markings.
    *1908 Type
    Persian 9 4tt Persian Coat of Arms & markings.
    *1908 Type
    Rumanian 9 4tt Rumanian Coat of Arms & markings.
    * 1908 Type ?
    Dutch 9 6S2tt Reported larger overall heavier frame.
    *1908 Type
    Carbine 9 113/4"
    *1908 Type
    Commercial 9 7 %2tt
    *1908 Type
    Commercial 7.65 7"
    1908 Type
    Swiss .22 8"? Co,nvertfed frodmd dGerman military by Swiss,
    *Denotes not definitely authenticated ? Denotes uncertainty of correct designation.
    AUJ

    Model Type Caliber Barrel Length Remarks
    1908 Type
    Swiss 7 65 43/4tt Converted from German military by Swiss,
    _ grip safetY added.
    *1902Ä08 ? 9 4tt Grip safety AND stock lug.
    1904Ä08 Naval 9 6" No date, naval proof marks, grip safety.
    1904Ä08 Naval
    Commercial 7.65 markS and _erviealenXumpbt ci_mmercial proof
    1904Ä08 Naval
    Commercial 9 6" Same as above except for caliber.
    * 1904Ä08 Naval
    Commercial 7.65 5S8
    * 1904Ä08 Naval
    Commercial 9 5H8"
    1904Ä14 Naval 9 6 Dated, naval proof marks.
    1904Ä14 Type
    NavalÄSwiss 7.65 6 German Naval by Swiss.
    1908Ä14 Military 9 4tt "DWM", modified sear contour.
    1908Ä14 Military 9 4ot "ERFURT", modified sear contour.
    1914 Military 9 8" "DWM". tangent rear sight adjustable
    from 100 to 800 meters.
    NOTE: All military and naval models have date over chamber unless otherwise noted. All have
    stock lug unless otherwise noted.

    1914 Military 9 8" Same as above except "ERFURT".
    1914 Military 9 8 stamped in wood grlps
    1914 Swiss 9 8" Swiss Cross over chamber, converted from
    German military by Swiss.
    1917? Police 9 4 safety. (Schywle Sicherung)
    1908Ä17 Experi
    mental 9 8" Special change lever switch on trigger
    cover (side) plate.
    NOTE: The model 1914 Military is also known as the "Lollg Barrelled Model."

    1920 Commercial 9 4 mD kWM, no date, commercial proof
    1920 Commercial 9 4! ~"ERFURT", no date, commercial proof
    marks.
    1920 Commercial 9 4tt Date ground off, commercial proof marks.
    1920 Commercial 7.65 6" Army frame, no date, commercial proof
    marks.
    1920 Commercial 9 8" Date ground off commercial proof marks.
    1920 Naval
    Commercial 7,65 6" Date ground off, commercial proof marks.
    1920 Naval
    Commercial 9 6" Same as above excePt for caliber.
    1920 Military 9 4tt 2 dates (1920 above 1918, etc.)

    ~Denotes not definitely authenticated.
    ? Denotes uncertainty of correct designation.


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    I got mixed up also. But for Cougars, you cut them open and count the rings.

    Sent from my SM-G981V using Tapatalk
     
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