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If Arsenal AK's are the best, which one to get?
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<blockquote data-quote="aestus" data-source="post: 2325451" data-attributes="member: 2989"><p>SGL's used to be cheap, heh. I remember when you could get an Arsenal SGL for like $600 back in late 2011 and early 2012<img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> Prices for Arsenal have almost doubled in about a year.</p><p></p><p>I would say the increase in cost is probably relative to the increase in cost for the base Saiga rifles. Saiga's in the sporter configuration used to be had for $200-$300. Now a base Saiga costs about $500-$600. The price increases probably also reflect the increase in cost for the conversion parts that Arsenal uses or manufactures and also reflects that Arsenal has a monopoly in the US for non-surplus, as close to mil spec, current issue modern military configuration AKs. There aren't really any other manufacturer / dealer selling modern mil spec (or close to mil spec) AK's in the US. All other AK's are surplus parts guns built on a US receiver and usually a US barrel. </p><p></p><p>Arsenal is the only US manufacturer of AK74 style brakes that is a true Bulgarian style brake with slit ports in the front and the staggered port holes on top. All the other AK74 style brakes work, but not as well as the real Bulgarian brakes or the Arsenal manufactured clones. Both the SGL and SLR comes with the original receivers and new cold hammer forged barrels (from their country of origin) that are chrome lined. These are the same barrels used in the actual rifles for the Russian or Bulgarian military. Most surplus rifles are built with US made barrels that aren't cold hammer forged and some may or may not be chrome lined. For whatever reason, there still aren't any US manufactures making quality cold hammer forged AK barrels that matches Russian or Bulgarian barrels. Hopefully this changes in the near future.</p><p></p><p>Back when Arsenals could be had for $500-$800, the question was "why wouldn't you just buy an Arsenal?" It was cheaper than doing a Saiga conversion yourself and you know that it was as close to mil-spec and was going to work right out of the box. It's basically the Colt of the AK's. Now with SGL's going for 1200, I'm not so sure anymore. I haven't done a Saiga conversion in a while, but I'm willing to bet that even the increase in Saiga sporter prices, you could probably save about $200 if you converted your own. Probably still not worth it if you're wanting a side folder, as that requires a bit more tools and gunsmithing to do.</p><p></p><p>Sandy Hook really jacked the prices of Arsenal to the +$1000 ranges. I know some of the price increases can't be avoided due to the increases in price for the base rifles and parts, but it's also due to Arsenal now being a brand name and having a monopoly in the US for production mil spec AK rifles.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aestus, post: 2325451, member: 2989"] SGL's used to be cheap, heh. I remember when you could get an Arsenal SGL for like $600 back in late 2011 and early 2012:) Prices for Arsenal have almost doubled in about a year. I would say the increase in cost is probably relative to the increase in cost for the base Saiga rifles. Saiga's in the sporter configuration used to be had for $200-$300. Now a base Saiga costs about $500-$600. The price increases probably also reflect the increase in cost for the conversion parts that Arsenal uses or manufactures and also reflects that Arsenal has a monopoly in the US for non-surplus, as close to mil spec, current issue modern military configuration AKs. There aren't really any other manufacturer / dealer selling modern mil spec (or close to mil spec) AK's in the US. All other AK's are surplus parts guns built on a US receiver and usually a US barrel. Arsenal is the only US manufacturer of AK74 style brakes that is a true Bulgarian style brake with slit ports in the front and the staggered port holes on top. All the other AK74 style brakes work, but not as well as the real Bulgarian brakes or the Arsenal manufactured clones. Both the SGL and SLR comes with the original receivers and new cold hammer forged barrels (from their country of origin) that are chrome lined. These are the same barrels used in the actual rifles for the Russian or Bulgarian military. Most surplus rifles are built with US made barrels that aren't cold hammer forged and some may or may not be chrome lined. For whatever reason, there still aren't any US manufactures making quality cold hammer forged AK barrels that matches Russian or Bulgarian barrels. Hopefully this changes in the near future. Back when Arsenals could be had for $500-$800, the question was "why wouldn't you just buy an Arsenal?" It was cheaper than doing a Saiga conversion yourself and you know that it was as close to mil-spec and was going to work right out of the box. It's basically the Colt of the AK's. Now with SGL's going for 1200, I'm not so sure anymore. I haven't done a Saiga conversion in a while, but I'm willing to bet that even the increase in Saiga sporter prices, you could probably save about $200 if you converted your own. Probably still not worth it if you're wanting a side folder, as that requires a bit more tools and gunsmithing to do. Sandy Hook really jacked the prices of Arsenal to the +$1000 ranges. I know some of the price increases can't be avoided due to the increases in price for the base rifles and parts, but it's also due to Arsenal now being a brand name and having a monopoly in the US for production mil spec AK rifles. [/QUOTE]
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