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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 2063762" data-attributes="member: 9374">I agree... from what I've heard/read, most of NY that is non-NYC is not too different from alot of the rest of the country. But NYC has what now... 12 or 15 million people? Kinda hard to offset that many closed-minded people with no grasp on life outside their metro bubble at the voting booths. <img src="/images/smilies/frown.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown    :(" data-shortname=":(" />Same phenomenon in Illinois and Michigan.<edit> I looked it up and NYC is listed at 8.1M... but if you include the 'burbs, I'd bet you're significantly higher. The whole metro area has to be 12-15M.</blockquote>