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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TANSTAAFL" data-source="post: 4348888" data-attributes="member: 27098">Two issues that have come up in this thread I would like to respond to. The first is a woman president. On social media the argument for kh is essentially framed and leading that somehow a man refusing to vote for kh is against a woman president. Personally I am not against the idea, as long as a woman who is running appears to be the best candidate and supports many of the political principles and ideology I like and support. It's that simple, it's the best person.The second has been argued ad infinitum on this forum and many others, that is abortion. I would think most people support the concept if a mother's life is in danger due to pregnancy, morally ethically and in most faiths an abortion is a logical solution if the mother and potentially the father opts for it. My thoughts though is at conception assuming all is going as it should that mass of cells can only become a human, not a lizard, goat or any other animal.Abortion lets fathers off the hook. If a woman has an abortion, the father potentially and the general public at large will be off the hook. No consequence to the father at all whether he is single or married, the problem goes away.Abortion is about unwanted people, so it erodes the meaning of a human life. If we can abort fetus' that will develop into humans why not get rid of the mentally challenged, the handicapped, the elderly? Why do you think they keep pushing that third trimester boundary?If a woman has a baby outside of marriage without the financial resources to support it, she does have a social safety net, there are government programs which again gets the father off the hook.Social safety nets that we pay for as taxpayers has been used for decades as an argument that we need abortion clinics and it is cheaper and a societal need to keep people off the public dole.I think abortion is demeaning to the woman and patriarchal as a result. How about making the father 100% responsible for a child's upbringing, married or not. If he doesn't pay or contribute to that child's welfare in a meaningful way for the child's upbringing and mother's support, send him to prison, and have the woman and child still get public benefits if needed. I think if carefully thought out further than my ramblings laws like that could do more to prevent unwanted pregnancy than abortion on demand. It puts a woman with child back in control of her and her child's destiny. I think this is more choice for women in general, and would work in pro and anti abortion states.</blockquote>

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