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<blockquote data-quote="Rez Exelon" data-source="post: 4220393" data-attributes="member: 5800"><p>What's not clear? I mean, I'd like to break it down using crayons but the board doesn't support that. </p><p></p><p>The concept as posted in this thread is a bullcrap concept. "I have a gun because it might keep a kid safe". Sure.. it might. But how many times have kids been killed by unsecured guns? Even in this thread there's a lot of "but my kids would never...." which everyone says... up to and including the interviews where kids get hurt or killed.</p><p></p><p>My initial ask was that there are some stats about how many kids get killed by guns. Sure, they are probably not comprehensive and detailed as they could be (that's a whole other side issue) so are there corresponding statistics about how many times a gun has protected a kids. How many bystanders have kept kids safe for instance?</p><p></p><p>I don't think the numbers are going to line up. I think the best way to keep kids safe is that guns are less accessible to the bad guys. What happens to a bad dude AFTER the shooting doesn't do anything anymore than thoughts and prayers do. I would bet that any mass shooter is prepared to die in a fight going into it, so big deal if they get life or executed, they've already taken down targets. Would it be a message to the next person? No --- that's almost an invite that they'll die with even MORE notoriety.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I think the best way to keep kids safe is to have an honest discussion about why kids keep getting killed in our country and then an honest discussion about how to fix it. Right now, and for most of my life, neither Dems nor Reps have been capable of that discussion, which I find sad. </p><p></p><p>As to whether having a gun stops anything --- I mean the KC parade was one of the latest high profile cases. A million people there at a parade in a state with basically no restrictions on carry. And who was the one the stopped the shooting? An unarmed dad. The narrative of more guns = safer isn't always as honest as people make it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rez Exelon, post: 4220393, member: 5800"] What's not clear? I mean, I'd like to break it down using crayons but the board doesn't support that. The concept as posted in this thread is a bullcrap concept. "I have a gun because it might keep a kid safe". Sure.. it might. But how many times have kids been killed by unsecured guns? Even in this thread there's a lot of "but my kids would never...." which everyone says... up to and including the interviews where kids get hurt or killed. My initial ask was that there are some stats about how many kids get killed by guns. Sure, they are probably not comprehensive and detailed as they could be (that's a whole other side issue) so are there corresponding statistics about how many times a gun has protected a kids. How many bystanders have kept kids safe for instance? I don't think the numbers are going to line up. I think the best way to keep kids safe is that guns are less accessible to the bad guys. What happens to a bad dude AFTER the shooting doesn't do anything anymore than thoughts and prayers do. I would bet that any mass shooter is prepared to die in a fight going into it, so big deal if they get life or executed, they've already taken down targets. Would it be a message to the next person? No --- that's almost an invite that they'll die with even MORE notoriety. Personally, I think the best way to keep kids safe is to have an honest discussion about why kids keep getting killed in our country and then an honest discussion about how to fix it. Right now, and for most of my life, neither Dems nor Reps have been capable of that discussion, which I find sad. As to whether having a gun stops anything --- I mean the KC parade was one of the latest high profile cases. A million people there at a parade in a state with basically no restrictions on carry. And who was the one the stopped the shooting? An unarmed dad. The narrative of more guns = safer isn't always as honest as people make it. [/QUOTE]
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