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Message: <blockquote data-quote="71buickfreak" data-source="post: 2789731" data-attributes="member: 8373">You are not wrong because you don't agree with me, you are wrong because you are factually wrong. A man can be religious and preside over a secular nation, which is what was intended. Just because someone believes in god does not mean they wanted the country to be ruled from the bible. James Madison said that the US was founded in nature, not supernatural beings, and regardless of how you feel, god is a supernatural being by definition. I am Christian and I have no problem with saying any of this. I am fully aware that believing in god does not make one a Christian, that is half of the point I have been making here. Jews, muslims, Christians, deists, all the same god, just different versions of the same book. That is why we have so many problems in this world. Your religion may not be the right one for steve, his may not be the one for you, yet you think steve should believe and worship the way you do, and steve hates you because you believe in a different set of rules. All the more reason for the country to be secular in nature, as opposed to endorsing one religion over another. can prove without a shadow of a doubt what the founders intended, through their own words, not interpretation. Your justification for the saying the US is a Christian nation is based solely on "well GW went to church after being sworn in, and he thanked god for stuff, and one ruling had the word Christian in it as an opinion by a justice", that is not proof, it is conjecture at best. The treaty of Tripoli clearly states that the US is a secular nation populated by religious men. That is pretty damn clear. Nobody is saying to kick out the Christians, why would you think that? How does the basis of the country being founded in the laws of nature and equality mean that Christians are unwanted? Please explain. To your supreme court ruling- Justice Brewer did in fact write the following- These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. 143 U.S. 457 (1892)HOWEVER, in 1905 Justice Brewer clarified that statement in his book, because it caused some confusion. He said-"But in what sense can it be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or that people are in any matter compelled to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all of its citizens are either in fact or name Christian. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within our borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all. Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions. Nevertheless, we constantly speak of this republic as a Christian Nation--in fact, as the leading Christian Nation of the world. This popular use of the term certainly has significance. It is not a mere creation of the imagination. It is not a term of derision but has substantial basis--one which justifies its use."So, Justice Brewer's statement also clarifies my original statement. This is a secular nation populated by religious men. The people of this country are overwhelmingly Christian, the laws, constitution and rules of government are secular in order to encompass people of all religions. Why is that a problem?</blockquote>

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