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<blockquote data-quote="chuter" data-source="post: 3374369" data-attributes="member: 13693"><p>Thanks for the reply.</p><p>I agree that some police are responding with more force than is needed, and even against policy (I don't know those details).</p><p>Of course de-escalation is always good.</p><p>I also think wanting to be heard doesn't give you the right to ignore lawful orders from police; to clear an area, respect a boundary.</p><p>If the police could accurately target the violent ones that would be the preferred method, but that's rarely possible.</p><p>Police wear riot gear not for the peaceful protesters, but for the violent ones. Police have a right to protect themselves too.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the video of the tall elderly man getting pushed and hurting his head in the fall; it looked like he was disobeying a lawful order to move, he <strong>approached</strong> the officers and it looked like he was poking around at the officers equipment belt. At that point the officer gave him a push, that didn't look like much of a push; just enough to say "get back, don't touch my stuff". I think a reasonable response.</p><p>If the man hadn't fallen it would be a non-event. It just so happens the man lost his footing and hit his head.</p><p></p><p>But the narrative is that the mean police pushed an old man protester for no reason and gave him a head injury.</p><p>Of course that's tragic, but stupid games and prizes, ya know.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="chuter, post: 3374369, member: 13693"] Thanks for the reply. I agree that some police are responding with more force than is needed, and even against policy (I don't know those details). Of course de-escalation is always good. I also think wanting to be heard doesn't give you the right to ignore lawful orders from police; to clear an area, respect a boundary. If the police could accurately target the violent ones that would be the preferred method, but that's rarely possible. Police wear riot gear not for the peaceful protesters, but for the violent ones. Police have a right to protect themselves too. Regarding the video of the tall elderly man getting pushed and hurting his head in the fall; it looked like he was disobeying a lawful order to move, he [B]approached[/B] the officers and it looked like he was poking around at the officers equipment belt. At that point the officer gave him a push, that didn't look like much of a push; just enough to say "get back, don't touch my stuff". I think a reasonable response. If the man hadn't fallen it would be a non-event. It just so happens the man lost his footing and hit his head. But the narrative is that the mean police pushed an old man protester for no reason and gave him a head injury. Of course that's tragic, but stupid games and prizes, ya know. [/QUOTE]
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