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<blockquote data-quote="Rez Exelon" data-source="post: 3374433" data-attributes="member: 5800">This is likely playing off your statement in a way you did not intended it, but I hope that alongside supporting the military and police, that includes supporting the American People as well. At the end of the day the M&amp;P are supposed to exist to serve and protect rather than be distinct from the American People.And neither will you. But I&#039;ve never met a 75 year old getting in my face that required a shove to the ground. Since we&#039;re in the realm of &quot;we will never know and can apparently therefore make assumptions&quot; I would hazard a guess that the hand waving was accompanied by him likely saying something along the lines of &quot;what is all this crap needed that you have&quot; like my mom did when she found a pack of smokes on my in Jr. High. There&#039;s also an argument for reasonable force scaled to the person. But your point about the response when he hit the ground is eerily similar to the even that kicked this whole shebang off.... if the officer had assessed the situation and gotten up, or even responded to the lack of George Floyd&#039;s pulse, do you think we&#039;d be here? So in some ways it&#039;s a great illustration.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rez Exelon, post: 3374433, member: 5800"] This is likely playing off your statement in a way you did not intended it, but I hope that alongside supporting the military and police, that includes supporting [I]the American People[/I] as well. At the end of the day the M&P are supposed to exist to serve and protect rather than be distinct from the American People. And neither will you. But I've never met a 75 year old getting in my face that required a shove to the ground. Since we're in the realm of "we will never know and can apparently therefore make assumptions" I would hazard a guess that the hand waving was accompanied by him likely saying something along the lines of "what is all this crap needed that you have" like my mom did when she found a pack of smokes on my in Jr. High. There's also an argument for reasonable force scaled to the person. But your point about the response when he hit the ground is eerily similar to the even that kicked this whole shebang off.... if the officer had assessed the situation and gotten up, or even responded to the lack of George Floyd's pulse, do you think we'd be here? So in some ways it's a great illustration. [/QUOTE]

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