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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rez Exelon" data-source="post: 3374598" data-attributes="member: 5800">I get the sense that I could cite an entire body of research and it wouldn't make a difference because there's an opinion that people here like that says otherwise. 1:50ish - "We are the only community that caters to the bottom denominator of our society". I'd make a case that it's like the strength of a chain is limited to it's weakest link. We should care about the bottom of society, pull them up, help them. That is morally a better position than what? To subjugate them, cast them out? What 2:00ish - "Fight and scream and demand support and justice for those up to no good". What happened to liberty AND JUSTICE for ALL??2:55ish - "I will not accept the narrative that this is the best the black community has to offer". Okay, true, but see the point above. It should't be about the best. It should be about how we treat our weakest. 3:25ish - "George Floyd was not an amazing person". Okay, so we should only treat amazing people with respect and not kill them. A lot of us who are not amazing should probably be worried --- most of us have our own severe faults.4:00-5:30ish and beyond - Drugs are a helluva drug. Power is too...once the situation is contained, stop. Just stop. Stop with the knee. When the pulse is gone, stop with the knee. It doesn't matter who he was, what he was doing. She wants to make a point that he was a bad person, okay cool, he wasn't great. Does that mean he should die in that situation? She wants to make a point that he wasn't a hero or role model, okay cool, he wasn't a hero or a role model.  Does that mean he should die in that situation? He would never have achieved the name recognition and notoriety if they guy had done his job and treated him as a human with even a teeninciest ounce of compassion. 5:40-8:00 - "Everyone deserves a second chance but...." No, no buts allowed here. You believe people can get better or you don't. It's like in AA when someone falls off the horse --- you don't cast them to doom, but rally around and try to get them sober again. That's how it should work broadly. Bonus points for saying basically that the record doesn't matter and then reading his record. Again, I'm not saying he was a good guy. But did he deserve to die? There was a guy a few years back that tried to break into my house drunk and on drugs and I could have shot him, but didn't --- he didn't deserve it, and it wasn't warranted. Crazy incident, but personally I'm glad I could control and deescalate it without lethal force. Drugs are a helluva thing and make people do bad stuff, no doubt. But the coverage I have seen has not portrayed him as a good dude either, it's mainly been focused on the "did he deserve to die question. That's ultimately what the defining thing is.I could go on, but I've got family responsibilities this evening, and I don't think that my points doing play by play are going to be much different in the second half of the video, nor will they change any hearts or minds. I think my point was missed, that we expect the folks in those roles to maintain control, why can't we expect the same control from highly trained officers?</blockquote>

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