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<blockquote data-quote="sh00ter" data-source="post: 2822412" data-attributes="member: 24531"><p>Reports of several veterans I've spoken to about the M4 specifically, a few years of frequently reading other "opinions" online, discussing and shooting DI rifles with friends who own them, a LEO opinion who preferred the AK if SHTF over his S&W carbine which was reported to be sluggish and jam unless he re-lubes it after several hundred rounds. I have also observed how the rest of the world prefers piston and how our own military is already testing and buying them; I can read the writing on the wall but I realize DI still has some pluses in it's corner depending on the CONTEXT of the situation. I have heard enough opinions, shot several DI rifles of friends (carbine & full-sized), experienced FTF's and such enough that I chose not to go DI...just like anything else, people should do their own research. I like Ruger 10/22's too, but everyone knows they jam if not clean, lubed and high-quality ammo...unless they are modified which I recommend. Most non-AR piston guns and AR-"ground-up" piston guns are reliable and shoot whatever ammo you throw at them...all of this doesn't equate to DI is crap...it is a different design that by design pipes the hot gas back into the bolt and causes carbon buildup and burns off all the lube...that to me means more frequent maintenance to remain reliable and in SHTF you'd not necessarily have that luxury...all my opinion is meant to be SHTF context...if you take that context out, well then yeah, your nice clean AR is gonna do fine for repelling a home invasion or at the range...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, and I am aware of all these pluses of DI...I mentioned them but not specifically because I figured others would. If you have a piston gun, it is a good idea to have some spare parts around...if you get a piston AR, many of the parts ARE still interchangeable and you could even mate upper and lowers...BUT you will need cleaning supplies and gun oil LONG before you ever needed spare parts...think about that when you compare the SHTF scenario too...but I agree with your general premise and I also agree with the caliber thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sh00ter, post: 2822412, member: 24531"] Reports of several veterans I've spoken to about the M4 specifically, a few years of frequently reading other "opinions" online, discussing and shooting DI rifles with friends who own them, a LEO opinion who preferred the AK if SHTF over his S&W carbine which was reported to be sluggish and jam unless he re-lubes it after several hundred rounds. I have also observed how the rest of the world prefers piston and how our own military is already testing and buying them; I can read the writing on the wall but I realize DI still has some pluses in it's corner depending on the CONTEXT of the situation. I have heard enough opinions, shot several DI rifles of friends (carbine & full-sized), experienced FTF's and such enough that I chose not to go DI...just like anything else, people should do their own research. I like Ruger 10/22's too, but everyone knows they jam if not clean, lubed and high-quality ammo...unless they are modified which I recommend. Most non-AR piston guns and AR-"ground-up" piston guns are reliable and shoot whatever ammo you throw at them...all of this doesn't equate to DI is crap...it is a different design that by design pipes the hot gas back into the bolt and causes carbon buildup and burns off all the lube...that to me means more frequent maintenance to remain reliable and in SHTF you'd not necessarily have that luxury...all my opinion is meant to be SHTF context...if you take that context out, well then yeah, your nice clean AR is gonna do fine for repelling a home invasion or at the range... Yes, and I am aware of all these pluses of DI...I mentioned them but not specifically because I figured others would. If you have a piston gun, it is a good idea to have some spare parts around...if you get a piston AR, many of the parts ARE still interchangeable and you could even mate upper and lowers...BUT you will need cleaning supplies and gun oil LONG before you ever needed spare parts...think about that when you compare the SHTF scenario too...but I agree with your general premise and I also agree with the caliber thing. [/QUOTE]
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