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<blockquote data-quote="Dave70968" data-source="post: 2993162" data-attributes="member: 13624"><p>"Civil court" is the critical distinction. Being subject to civil suit isn't an action by the government; it's an action by another private party. You may have to make restitution to that party for damages you cause him, but you won't be jailed or have to pay a fine to the people at large (the government).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but that's a <em>very</em> narrow category. The old "fire in a crowded theater" standard doesn't meet it (and, in fact, the author of those words, Oliver Wendell Holmes, distanced himself from them in his later opinions).</p><p></p><p></p><p>We can, and I do. Embolden somebody else to do something similarly (or more) offensive? Okay; all those offended, put on your big-girl panties next time. As to what the founders envisioned, well, you should see how they spoke of each other. <em>Reason</em> had a great video on it; I'll try to see if I can find it. And we've already discussed the effigy issue, but you have to remember that in the context of the time: our president is a symbol and the leader of our country, but back then, kings still ruled by divine right. To us, killing the president is murder, if quite aggravated; to them, it was <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_treason_in_the_United_Kingdom" target="_blank">high treason</a>, just the same as levying war against the sovereign or giving aid and comfort to his enemies. Our president is a symbol of the country; their king <em>was</em> the country. Keep that in mind as you ponder those effigies.</p><p></p><p>In short, the founders were not nearly so polite and reserved as we remember them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dave70968, post: 2993162, member: 13624"] "Civil court" is the critical distinction. Being subject to civil suit isn't an action by the government; it's an action by another private party. You may have to make restitution to that party for damages you cause him, but you won't be jailed or have to pay a fine to the people at large (the government). Yes, but that's a [I]very[/I] narrow category. The old "fire in a crowded theater" standard doesn't meet it (and, in fact, the author of those words, Oliver Wendell Holmes, distanced himself from them in his later opinions). We can, and I do. Embolden somebody else to do something similarly (or more) offensive? Okay; all those offended, put on your big-girl panties next time. As to what the founders envisioned, well, you should see how they spoke of each other. [I]Reason[/I] had a great video on it; I'll try to see if I can find it. And we've already discussed the effigy issue, but you have to remember that in the context of the time: our president is a symbol and the leader of our country, but back then, kings still ruled by divine right. To us, killing the president is murder, if quite aggravated; to them, it was [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_treason_in_the_United_Kingdom']high treason[/URL], just the same as levying war against the sovereign or giving aid and comfort to his enemies. Our president is a symbol of the country; their king [I]was[/I] the country. Keep that in mind as you ponder those effigies. In short, the founders were not nearly so polite and reserved as we remember them. [/QUOTE]
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