Just Called USSA and WOW!!!!

[shooterdave]

Actually, I have been there and I do agree that the facilities are top notch. As for the staff, my opinion is dwindling with each post, but I do understand defending your side of an argument. As for the personal call out, pretty un-professional. It's nice to know how easy it is to get under your skin, Steve. I'll be sure to introduce myself next time I am up there. P.S. I'll be the 6'5" bald guy with 15 yrs LE experience, most of which a member of one emer. Response team or another. THERE... Now you have MY resume. I guess we can save the weenie measuring for our meet and greet. Back to the issue at hand... If something doesn't look Kosher, I am and will continue to speak my mind about it. I see you 2 hr. Min. Rule as acceptable, but that is not the way it was represented initially. It was represented as a 15 min. training for $125. That I do NOT see as acceptable. BTW, both of you are correct about it being a private entity and they can charge as they see fit. That doesn't mean I have to like it. Personally, i think if the intent is the ward away non-members from shooting FA weapons, then just don't allow it, period. It takes away all of the gray area and quells misunderstandings and misrepresentations by staff that may not be fully aware of the policies at that given time. Do either of you disagree with that? Steve, I know we have been bashing at each other, but if you seriously want the range to be the best it can be, and i believe you do, plus user friendly for all those who use it, dont you think it would behoove USSA, Steve, members, potential members, and guests to clarify such issues? I bet that if you guys take a hard look at you policies and procedures there are areas that could use clarification and/or updating. This true of most entities whether they be public or private. Maybe this verbal tennis match could be used as an example of how clarification could benefit all? That would help USSA, wouldn't it? After all, it seems such a waste of all this typing to just piss Steve off...

 

[Mirge]

That doesn't mean I have to like it. Personally, i think if the intent is the ward away non-members from shooting FA weapons, then just don't allow it, period. It takes away all of the gray area and quells misunderstandings and misrepresentations by staff that may not be fully aware of the policies at that given time. Do either of you disagree with that?

No, sir. I absolutely do agree. And if full auto was something a potential customer was interested in, USSA would turn a higher profit by getting a contract for $30-$35/month over 2-3 years vs $145 for a daypass + 2 hr personal training anyway. But... I'm not the/an owner.. nor do I work for 'em. So my say means nothing in reality, but there's my thoughts on it.

 

[Steve Aryan]

Actually, I have been there and I do agree that the facilities are top notch. As for the staff, my opinion is dwindling with each post, but I do understand defending your side of an argument. As for the personal call out, pretty un-professional.What call out? It's nice to know how easy it is to get under your skin, Steve. I'll be sure to introduce myself next time I am up there. P.S. I'll be the 6'5" bald guy with 15 yrs LE experience, most of which a member of one emer. Response team or another. THERE... Now you have MY resume. I guess we can save the weenie measuring for our meet and greet. Back to the issue at hand... If something doesn't look Kosher, I am and will continue to speak my mind about it. I see you 2 hr. Min. Rule as acceptable, but that is not the way it was represented initially. It was represented as a 15 min. training for $125. That I do NOT see as acceptable. BTW, both of you are correct about it being a private entity and they can charge as they see fit. That doesn't mean I have to like it. Personally, i think if the intent is the ward away non-members from shooting FA weapons, then just don't allow it, period. It takes away all of the gray area and quells misunderstandings and misrepresentations by staff that may not be fully aware of the policies at that given time. Do either of you disagree with that? Steve, I know we have been bashing at each other, but if you seriously want the range to be the best it can be, and i believe you do, plus user friendly for all those who use it, dont you think it would behoove USSA, Steve, members, potential members, and guests to clarify such issues? I bet that if you guys take a hard look at you policies and procedures there are areas that could use clarification and/or updating. This true of most entities whether they be public or private. Maybe this verbal tennis match could be used as an example of how clarification could benefit all? That would help USSA, wouldn't it? After all, it seems such a waste of all this typing to just piss Steve off...

Im not angry. More amused. I dont get angry at screen names.
I didn't call you out. That was just an example.
We are (had) clarifying the issue. You however, are not helping anything on either side. Just trolling.
What your post just said is what has already happened.
You made the comment that we were trying to make a quick buck off a guy. You were and are wrong. That is the reason I keep posting, and the only reason. It is to keep garbage like that away from here. Facts, fine. Bring them, but that was a load of crap. Dont try and pass that off as the gospel.

 

[rmwolf]

OK, after repeated explanation, Shooterdave chooses not to be confused by facts, and thus keep his unfounded opinion. Now I'm beginning to think he is having fun being contentious. I think this thread has run it's course... I'm out...

 

[JD8]

Either way, I stay out of the GD section. I leave that for those who have way to much time on their hands and post more times a month than they shoot.

Damn, I post in there, does this mean I'll never get my Operator's license?

 

[jtischauser]

Hey, Jes. Not all of us are wealthy like you! Seriously, that is kinda an elitist attitude, don't you think?

Who ever said I was weathy? I don't agree with that being an elitist attitude either. If someone has the means to aquire a full auto weapon which in my book is completely a luxury item as there is no practical use for it in everyday life (other than Home Defense) they should be willing to afford the $100+ in ammo and the related range fees that go with the luxury item. I can't afford a full auto and I definately can't afford the ammo that would be required to go with on either.

 

[jtischauser]

I have watched this thread and there needs to be some reality checks done.When Tom built USSA he said " I don't expect it to make a penny" and it pretty much didn't but a lot of people were employed and paid by him.
If you look at the web site and take the tour and then just take a WAG what it cost to build not even counting the land.
Tom built USSA with the idea of putting shooters on the same scale as pro golfers,tennis players,etc. which I thought was a dream considering the politics we have.
I don't know "Jes" and have no idea if he is wealthy but I do know Rob,Doug,Todd,Bruce and a lot of other "elitist" and all are sponsered by someone and none of them are in the fortune 500.
If $30 a month is too much (3 boxes of cheap 9mm) well I consider that a cheap hobby compared to others. I also have felt the pain of the last couple of years and have cut back on many things I hated to but thats just life.
The word,rumor is that an investment group has bought USSA and will probably pick someone to run it but unless they are just needing a tax write off they will expect it to make enough money to pay the debt and expenses.
My hunch is support it or lose it because you can bet there will be changes,what they will be only time will tell.
As far as JB there was probably a mess up on the front end or back end,I doubt USSA is trying to do any "used car" deal on him.

Well said!

 

[shooterdave]

Jes, chill. Most of that, toward you, was in jest. I know your a working' guy. Sorry if I offended you.

 

[jtischauser]

I was offended and now I am even more offended! I do not work!

Every one knows I only shoot competitions. The only work I do is on my post count on OSA and Boomer Shooter all day.

I am a kept man. My wife is the workin' gal.

I hope we have difussed the USSA bashing. My buddy Steve is a good guy despite being an Iranian refuge tac ops specialist. USSA is a great place! We all know its not the cheapest place to shoot but it has the coolest stuff so what do you expect?

 

[Lurkerinthewoods]

we can save the weenie measuring for our meet and greet.

Has that ever worked out for you?