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<blockquote data-quote="JD8" data-source="post: 3193963" data-attributes="member: 24"><p>It's cute when people start to lose an argument and they resort to insults. Nothing I said wasn't a fact, and I'm sorry you don't like it. Didn't say he was the best ever? Nope. Stated the facts at what he had done, that it translates to a success in most eyes. You're just huffy because most of what you've said is complete BS because you don't understand you're comparing apples to oranges. Surely there's been over hyped 1st round picks every year for as long as I can remember. But it doesn't take rocket science to figure out why these two are different with regards to their chances in the NFL. The whole reason I posted what I did was to show what sets these two apart. Granted the initial comment was that Kyler won't fit or won't be a QB in the NFL.... now it's evolved. </p><p></p><p>Nobody is saying the transition to the NFL isn't tough and what you're relaying is common knowledge. Well aware of the flops that have happened, but let's take Ryan Leaf for example...... wanna compare him and Baker? How about Vince Young or Vic? Two more head cases. One thing you need to realize is that there's a mentality that goes with the transition. I believe Baker has it, given his history, he has had to earn everything he achieved and then some. Kyler again is just a freak, he's got an arm easily as good as Baker and the running ability of Russel Wilson. Nobody you mentioned had his ability in college in two sports. Now maybe he gets drafted, becomes a head case and folds, or just doesn't cut it....it surely could happen. </p><p></p><p>I coulda told you that Heupel, White, Bradford wouldn't go anywhere, although Bradford lasted longer than I thought. The problem with Bradford was that he was a statue and the DEs/Pass Rush was evolving. Hence all of my comments about mobility. I even had slight reservations about Baker until I watched the first half of the Browns season. He's the same Baker as college so I think he will be fine. Outside of that, there are a TON of variables. </p><p></p><p>Finally, the "pro-type" QB theory is dead, again, a majority of your best and most accomplished QBs in the NFL right now aren't huge by any means. So while a short guy has a bit of disadvantage, Kyler's speed and arm give him a step up from anyone you've mentioned that flopped or anyone that we've seen recently out of college. Again, you might want to call up the Patriots and let them know your theory.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JD8, post: 3193963, member: 24"] It's cute when people start to lose an argument and they resort to insults. Nothing I said wasn't a fact, and I'm sorry you don't like it. Didn't say he was the best ever? Nope. Stated the facts at what he had done, that it translates to a success in most eyes. You're just huffy because most of what you've said is complete BS because you don't understand you're comparing apples to oranges. Surely there's been over hyped 1st round picks every year for as long as I can remember. But it doesn't take rocket science to figure out why these two are different with regards to their chances in the NFL. The whole reason I posted what I did was to show what sets these two apart. Granted the initial comment was that Kyler won't fit or won't be a QB in the NFL.... now it's evolved. Nobody is saying the transition to the NFL isn't tough and what you're relaying is common knowledge. Well aware of the flops that have happened, but let's take Ryan Leaf for example...... wanna compare him and Baker? How about Vince Young or Vic? Two more head cases. One thing you need to realize is that there's a mentality that goes with the transition. I believe Baker has it, given his history, he has had to earn everything he achieved and then some. Kyler again is just a freak, he's got an arm easily as good as Baker and the running ability of Russel Wilson. Nobody you mentioned had his ability in college in two sports. Now maybe he gets drafted, becomes a head case and folds, or just doesn't cut it....it surely could happen. I coulda told you that Heupel, White, Bradford wouldn't go anywhere, although Bradford lasted longer than I thought. The problem with Bradford was that he was a statue and the DEs/Pass Rush was evolving. Hence all of my comments about mobility. I even had slight reservations about Baker until I watched the first half of the Browns season. He's the same Baker as college so I think he will be fine. Outside of that, there are a TON of variables. Finally, the "pro-type" QB theory is dead, again, a majority of your best and most accomplished QBs in the NFL right now aren't huge by any means. So while a short guy has a bit of disadvantage, Kyler's speed and arm give him a step up from anyone you've mentioned that flopped or anyone that we've seen recently out of college. Again, you might want to call up the Patriots and let them know your theory. [/QUOTE]
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