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<blockquote data-quote="Dave70968" data-source="post: 2981327" data-attributes="member: 13624"><p>Dennis: Reading. Is. Fundamental.</p><p></p><p>We were discussing <em>crime statistics</em>. Abortion is <em>not a crime</em> in the United States, no matter how you may feel about it. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to either provide instances of prosecutors winning convictions based on deliberate abortions (and those convictions can't be overturned by a higher court), or provide me a copy of the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports that count abortions in murder statistics.</p><p></p><p>You won't find either because murder--as Ace said--is the <em>illegal</em> killing of a human being, and abortion <em>is not illegal</em> in this country. Any attempt to include abortions in a discussion of <em>crime statistics</em> is intellectually dishonest. Again, you're entirely welcome to your own moral beliefs, but as a matter of law--which, again, was the subject of discussion--you're not entitled to your own facts.</p><p></p><p>Also, you're entitled to believe it's murder, but to call it terrorism is a stretch. Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Even if we ignore the "unlawful" part, what's the political aim? Given that, by definition, the only victims of abortion are the unborn, what political aims are we trying to scare them into? Since you "have great reading skills, and interpretation of the same," I can only assume that your misuse of the word "terrorism" is willful and deliberate, and thus again intellectually dishonest.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dave70968, post: 2981327, member: 13624"] Dennis: Reading. Is. Fundamental. We were discussing [I]crime statistics[/I]. Abortion is [I]not a crime[/I] in the United States, no matter how you may feel about it. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to either provide instances of prosecutors winning convictions based on deliberate abortions (and those convictions can't be overturned by a higher court), or provide me a copy of the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports that count abortions in murder statistics. You won't find either because murder--as Ace said--is the [I]illegal[/I] killing of a human being, and abortion [I]is not illegal[/I] in this country. Any attempt to include abortions in a discussion of [I]crime statistics[/I] is intellectually dishonest. Again, you're entirely welcome to your own moral beliefs, but as a matter of law--which, again, was the subject of discussion--you're not entitled to your own facts. Also, you're entitled to believe it's murder, but to call it terrorism is a stretch. Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Even if we ignore the "unlawful" part, what's the political aim? Given that, by definition, the only victims of abortion are the unborn, what political aims are we trying to scare them into? Since you "have great reading skills, and interpretation of the same," I can only assume that your misuse of the word "terrorism" is willful and deliberate, and thus again intellectually dishonest. [/QUOTE]
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