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<blockquote data-quote="Jcann" data-source="post: 2688811" data-attributes="member: 33119"><p>***WARNING*** The long range game is expensive I’ve got over $2,500 invested in my rifle alone not to mention scope and reloading equipment.</p><p></p><p>I’ve reloaded and shot 7mm in a Rem. Mag and/or 7WSM for 35 years now. Both are a wonderful round with high ballistic coefficient (BC) bullets (Hornady, Berger, Scenar, Nosler LR) and with the right set up can be pushed maybe to 1 mile or a little less. Hunting wise you can go after game (deer, antelope, elk?) at 1,000yds.</p><p></p><p>There are difficulties for those who do not reload for a 7mm Rem. Mag. Mainly there is virtually zero factory manufactured match grade ammo to be had. Gunwerks <a href="http://www.gunwerks.com/old-products/productsb/long-range-ammunition.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.gunwerks.com/old-products/productsb/long-range-ammunition.aspx</a> </p><p>makes ammo using 168gr Berger bullets. Their ammo is probably loaded to the specifications of their long range rifles but I don’t know this for a fact. Chad at Cooper Creek Ammo <a href="http://coppercreekammo.com/index.php?main_page=index" target="_blank">http://coppercreekammo.com/index.php?main_page=index</a> will custom load 7mm Rem. mag ammo for you but it is costly. So if your heart’s desire is 7mm Rem. Mag. you need to reload. </p><p></p><p>Any of the other rounds mentioned, 280 Ackley Improved, 7mm Weatherby mag all suffer the same problem. You need to reload for them. Also I wouldn’t go with a 270wsm. As with all 270 (6.8mm) you have poor long range bullet selection.</p><p></p><p>As has been stated barrel life is short for 7mm Rem. mag (1,000-1,500 rounds) and if your desire is 1,000 yards or greater it’s going to take practice&#8230;and a lot of practice. You’ll probably shoot the barrel out before you achieve consistent desired results.</p><p></p><p>Recoil, a 7mag has a little push w/o a break, especially shooting 180gr bullets (currently the best for long range work). How are you when it comes to managing recoil? </p><p></p><p>Shooting range, do you have access where you can shoot 1,000 yards on a consistent basis?</p><p></p><p>With all that being said you can take a 7mag to 500yds with factory ammo and it should be accurate enough for hunting and steel targets.</p><p></p><p>Not knowing what type hunting you’ll be doing but you need to determine terminal down range ballistics before you attempt a long range hunt.</p><p></p><p>You can take this for what it’s worth, maybe ($0.02). Savage makes a fine rifle in a 12 long range precision. Being that you don’t reload I suggest 6.5 Creedmoor. Hornady and Copper Creek make match grade ammo for the Creed. Its ballistics will get you beyond 1,000yds, recoil is greatly reduced and barrel life is greater.</p><p></p><p>Some people prefer the .308 which is a fine round. You are pushing its limits at 1,000yds (175gr bullet). Is it doable, yes! Is it the best round for the job? In my opinion no! Again in my opinion the 6.5mm (.260) is better in all respects except barrel life.</p><p></p><p>As far as scopes go check out a Vortex 4-16x50 or 6-24x50 Viper PST. There are better brands but these will serve you well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jcann, post: 2688811, member: 33119"] ***WARNING*** The long range game is expensive I’ve got over $2,500 invested in my rifle alone not to mention scope and reloading equipment. I’ve reloaded and shot 7mm in a Rem. Mag and/or 7WSM for 35 years now. Both are a wonderful round with high ballistic coefficient (BC) bullets (Hornady, Berger, Scenar, Nosler LR) and with the right set up can be pushed maybe to 1 mile or a little less. Hunting wise you can go after game (deer, antelope, elk?) at 1,000yds. There are difficulties for those who do not reload for a 7mm Rem. Mag. Mainly there is virtually zero factory manufactured match grade ammo to be had. Gunwerks [url]http://www.gunwerks.com/old-products/productsb/long-range-ammunition.aspx[/url] makes ammo using 168gr Berger bullets. Their ammo is probably loaded to the specifications of their long range rifles but I don’t know this for a fact. Chad at Cooper Creek Ammo [url]http://coppercreekammo.com/index.php?main_page=index[/url] will custom load 7mm Rem. mag ammo for you but it is costly. So if your heart’s desire is 7mm Rem. Mag. you need to reload. Any of the other rounds mentioned, 280 Ackley Improved, 7mm Weatherby mag all suffer the same problem. You need to reload for them. Also I wouldn’t go with a 270wsm. As with all 270 (6.8mm) you have poor long range bullet selection. As has been stated barrel life is short for 7mm Rem. mag (1,000-1,500 rounds) and if your desire is 1,000 yards or greater it’s going to take practice…and a lot of practice. You’ll probably shoot the barrel out before you achieve consistent desired results. Recoil, a 7mag has a little push w/o a break, especially shooting 180gr bullets (currently the best for long range work). How are you when it comes to managing recoil? Shooting range, do you have access where you can shoot 1,000 yards on a consistent basis? With all that being said you can take a 7mag to 500yds with factory ammo and it should be accurate enough for hunting and steel targets. Not knowing what type hunting you’ll be doing but you need to determine terminal down range ballistics before you attempt a long range hunt. You can take this for what it’s worth, maybe ($0.02). Savage makes a fine rifle in a 12 long range precision. Being that you don’t reload I suggest 6.5 Creedmoor. Hornady and Copper Creek make match grade ammo for the Creed. Its ballistics will get you beyond 1,000yds, recoil is greatly reduced and barrel life is greater. Some people prefer the .308 which is a fine round. You are pushing its limits at 1,000yds (175gr bullet). Is it doable, yes! Is it the best round for the job? In my opinion no! Again in my opinion the 6.5mm (.260) is better in all respects except barrel life. As far as scopes go check out a Vortex 4-16x50 or 6-24x50 Viper PST. There are better brands but these will serve you well. [/QUOTE]
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