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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 1064068" data-attributes="member: 229"><p><a href="http://okshooters.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2186436" target="_blank">http://okshooters.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2186436</a></p><p></p><p>This question pops up about once or twice a month. If you plan on doing any serious long-range shooting (including taking a class), you will probably do well to have some sort of reticle that you can measure with - Mil-based is a good place to start and you honestly won't find many MOA-based reticles that are in your price-range.</p><p></p><p>Range-finding with a mil-based (or MOA-based) reticle is simple - and if you know the size of your target to a reasonable degree of accuracy, you can range-find to within 20yds of it relatively easily and with just a little practice.</p><p></p><p>If you get a Mil-based reticle, you'll probably find MOA-based knobs on the scope you're looking at in the price-ranges it appears you're in. Nothing wrong with doing it old-school and there's a ton of literature on how to use a Mil reticle with MOA based knobs (but its admitidely not as easy for competition-style long-range shooting as MIL-MIL or MOA-MOA setups).</p><p></p><p>Either way (MIL or MOA), I honestly have found that measuring reticles with hash-marks (like those on a ruler) are easier to use than dots - just my preference.</p><p></p><p>Here's my opinion on the cheaper brands (I own two and have owned many other cheaper optics):</p><p></p><p>Meuller - good for the money, but not as rugged as some of the others for just $100 or so more. All the features seem to work (reticle is accurate, knobs are sloppy compared to higher-end, but do the job). I don't know how repeatable they are, but I'd guess that they're a little off if you move the knobs more than 30 or so MOA off and then back.</p><p></p><p>Millet TRS-1- Very good value, more rugged than the Meuller (and probably the Falcon Menace), but the glass isn't as clear as I'd like and they only offer a ballistic mil-dot reticle. Knobs are less-sloppy, but still not perfect - they're repeatable, but aren't super-accurate out at the very edge of the adjustment (even though I've never had to go there for a shot on a 20MOA base - I was just playing with them to see how accurate they were).</p><p></p><p>Falcon Optics (Menace) - I've got one and its by far the clearest glass for the money I've found. Knobs are about like the Millet - maybe a little less firm/clicky but more solid. I've used it side-by-side with a Leupold MK 4 (which is a very clear scope) and its easily as bright and the clarity was the same to my eyes (and several other folks who looked through both). I don't think its nearly as rugged as the SS and probably not as much as the Millet, but its seen some hard use with me and I've had it out in the snow/rain/dragged it through the brush. Lots of reticle options and knob-options - its a great value.</p><p></p><p>SWFA SS - Probably the best deal of them all - they've got lots of options - from simple to high-dollar. Their glass is clear, and their knobs are mechanically sound. Not quite as clear as the Falcon (unless you're buying the one with the HD glass), but very close. Only one reticle to choose from (I think that's how it was last time I checked).</p><p></p><p>Bushnell Elite 3200 - arguably better than the SS, but I've not really had much experience with them. I want to say that they have only one reticle option worth having for long-range (mil-dot - possibly ballistic mil-dot? Its late and I'm too tired to look them up). I did have a friend who had one and it was nice, but I didn't get to shoot it too much. Everything I've read about them online is good.</p><p></p><p>I don't have any experience with Matt's own line (Wonders Optics), but he's a good guy and I bought my Falcon from him. He seems to have a pretty good fan-base, but I'd love to test one of his scopes out seriously before I jumped on the band-wagon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 1064068, member: 229"] [url]http://okshooters.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2186436[/url] This question pops up about once or twice a month. If you plan on doing any serious long-range shooting (including taking a class), you will probably do well to have some sort of reticle that you can measure with - Mil-based is a good place to start and you honestly won't find many MOA-based reticles that are in your price-range. Range-finding with a mil-based (or MOA-based) reticle is simple - and if you know the size of your target to a reasonable degree of accuracy, you can range-find to within 20yds of it relatively easily and with just a little practice. If you get a Mil-based reticle, you'll probably find MOA-based knobs on the scope you're looking at in the price-ranges it appears you're in. Nothing wrong with doing it old-school and there's a ton of literature on how to use a Mil reticle with MOA based knobs (but its admitidely not as easy for competition-style long-range shooting as MIL-MIL or MOA-MOA setups). Either way (MIL or MOA), I honestly have found that measuring reticles with hash-marks (like those on a ruler) are easier to use than dots - just my preference. Here's my opinion on the cheaper brands (I own two and have owned many other cheaper optics): Meuller - good for the money, but not as rugged as some of the others for just $100 or so more. All the features seem to work (reticle is accurate, knobs are sloppy compared to higher-end, but do the job). I don't know how repeatable they are, but I'd guess that they're a little off if you move the knobs more than 30 or so MOA off and then back. Millet TRS-1- Very good value, more rugged than the Meuller (and probably the Falcon Menace), but the glass isn't as clear as I'd like and they only offer a ballistic mil-dot reticle. Knobs are less-sloppy, but still not perfect - they're repeatable, but aren't super-accurate out at the very edge of the adjustment (even though I've never had to go there for a shot on a 20MOA base - I was just playing with them to see how accurate they were). Falcon Optics (Menace) - I've got one and its by far the clearest glass for the money I've found. Knobs are about like the Millet - maybe a little less firm/clicky but more solid. I've used it side-by-side with a Leupold MK 4 (which is a very clear scope) and its easily as bright and the clarity was the same to my eyes (and several other folks who looked through both). I don't think its nearly as rugged as the SS and probably not as much as the Millet, but its seen some hard use with me and I've had it out in the snow/rain/dragged it through the brush. Lots of reticle options and knob-options - its a great value. SWFA SS - Probably the best deal of them all - they've got lots of options - from simple to high-dollar. Their glass is clear, and their knobs are mechanically sound. Not quite as clear as the Falcon (unless you're buying the one with the HD glass), but very close. Only one reticle to choose from (I think that's how it was last time I checked). Bushnell Elite 3200 - arguably better than the SS, but I've not really had much experience with them. I want to say that they have only one reticle option worth having for long-range (mil-dot - possibly ballistic mil-dot? Its late and I'm too tired to look them up). I did have a friend who had one and it was nice, but I didn't get to shoot it too much. Everything I've read about them online is good. I don't have any experience with Matt's own line (Wonders Optics), but he's a good guy and I bought my Falcon from him. He seems to have a pretty good fan-base, but I'd love to test one of his scopes out seriously before I jumped on the band-wagon. [/QUOTE]
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