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Discussion in 'Ammo & Reloading' started by RugersGR8, Mar 17, 2021.
M1153, the U.S. Army's New 9mm Load!
Buffman - R.A.N.G.E.
Published on Mar 16, 2021
Doesn't seem that hot of a load?
This video(above) was the first that I had heard of it. It is a 147gr load though.
I'd love to have a box for display though.
Hmm, hollow points in military use enters into interesting territory as far as treaties.
I'd have to look it up, but special operators fall outside of those treaties somehow. I'll have to do some research to back that statement up though.
Yeah, it get's really complicated, and has to do with non identified combatants (not in uniform) which produced a huge gray area..
But I understood these are going out as it to the US Army as a whole, not just special operators
From the American Rifleman article:
The Army’s lawyers determined that the use of hollow points by troops does not violate the Hague Convention of 1899. Army Col. Brian Stehle, who was the head of Project Manager Soldier Weapons, was quoted in a military.com article, “We have a law of war determination that stated that this type of ammunition is usable.” Other “Special Purpose” rounds, including open tip match (OTM) and .45 JHPs have already been used by Special Operations troops for some time.
If I remember correctly The Hague convention also outlawed aerial bombardment and poisonous gas use. The US didn’t ratify expanding bullets, poisonous gas use, or aerial bombardment. It’s always been on the table for us. My understanding of the use of ball ammunition for the bulk of the military is that it is due to the extreme amounts of ammo used and cost of said ammo.
Sharpie the bullet black and you’d have a projectile that looks remarkably like the Black Talon.