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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 1878973" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>Please list your credentials that allow you to state the bolded part as fact. You see, I'm on the inside. I know what those regulatory standards are. My job is to ensure those regulatory standards are met. I know what vetting processes are used to ensure compliance with those standards. I'm going to go out on a very large and solid limb, and state that you don't know what you're talking about. You have no idea of the level to which these employees are vetted, and not just upon being hired. No organization or company can employ 50,000 people and not have a bad egg from time to time. I've yet to see the report where a TSA employee went Maj. Hasan on their place of employment to date. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you understood TSA and airport operations, you'd know that's most likely NOT the case.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not saying for a fact this was the case here, but you'd be amazed how many times this is exactly the case. Same thing for passengers getting kicked off planes (though a nearly equal number of times, it's a cranky flight attendant blowing things out of proportion). Investigating interference with flight crew allegations is one of my duties.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Understood and I empathize with you. I dont like to fly either. As someone who thoroughly understands the process, even I find it stressful (though less so than the average flyer). I blame the terrorists, and to some extent the leadership in our country. Sometimes we create unintended consequences in our myopic pursuits.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I understand what it means. It does not bind the certificated and contracted air carrier to transport persons in violation of 49 USC §46302 (hint, itll take a LOT more than a Google search to understand how that applies in this case). Further, Part 121 certificated carriers operating under 14 C.F.R. have fairly wide latitude in ensuring the safety of their flights. Additionally, Title 49, Subtitle VII, Part A, Subpart III, Chapter 449 sets fort requirements for the implementation of Security Programs, to which the general public does not have access. The Pilot In Command (PIC) is also the In-flight Security Coordinator (ISC) and has annual training requirements that outline those duties. One of my other duties is to audit those training programs on an annual basis and conduct periodic inspections of ISCs on their implementation. </p><p></p><p>While Ive seen numerous overreaches by cabin crew members, Ive yet to see an ISC do so in over 7 years conducting inspections and investigations in this area. </p><p></p><p>Would anyone else like to comment without detailed information regarding aviation law and regulations?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 1878973, member: 1132"] Please list your credentials that allow you to state the bolded part as fact. You see, I'm on the inside. I know what those regulatory standards are. My job is to ensure those regulatory standards are met. I know what vetting processes are used to ensure compliance with those standards. I'm going to go out on a very large and solid limb, and state that you don't know what you're talking about. You have no idea of the level to which these employees are vetted, and not just upon being hired. No organization or company can employ 50,000 people and not have a bad egg from time to time. I've yet to see the report where a TSA employee went Maj. Hasan on their place of employment to date. If you understood TSA and airport operations, you'd know that's most likely NOT the case. I'm not saying for a fact this was the case here, but you'd be amazed how many times this is exactly the case. Same thing for passengers getting kicked off planes (though a nearly equal number of times, it's a cranky flight attendant blowing things out of proportion). Investigating interference with flight crew allegations is one of my duties. Understood and I empathize with you. I dont like to fly either. As someone who thoroughly understands the process, even I find it stressful (though less so than the average flyer). I blame the terrorists, and to some extent the leadership in our country. Sometimes we create unintended consequences in our myopic pursuits. I understand what it means. It does not bind the certificated and contracted air carrier to transport persons in violation of 49 USC §46302 (hint, itll take a LOT more than a Google search to understand how that applies in this case). Further, Part 121 certificated carriers operating under 14 C.F.R. have fairly wide latitude in ensuring the safety of their flights. Additionally, Title 49, Subtitle VII, Part A, Subpart III, Chapter 449 sets fort requirements for the implementation of Security Programs, to which the general public does not have access. The Pilot In Command (PIC) is also the In-flight Security Coordinator (ISC) and has annual training requirements that outline those duties. One of my other duties is to audit those training programs on an annual basis and conduct periodic inspections of ISCs on their implementation. While Ive seen numerous overreaches by cabin crew members, Ive yet to see an ISC do so in over 7 years conducting inspections and investigations in this area. Would anyone else like to comment without detailed information regarding aviation law and regulations? [/QUOTE]
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