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<blockquote data-quote="JR777" data-source="post: 3553432" data-attributes="member: 45725"><p>If you don't understand it yet then I can't explain it to you. It's legal on a state level but illegal on a federal level, so whether that person who's a legal state user is an "illegal user" or not is entirely uncertain.</p><p></p><p>I recommend you research supremacy clause and desuetude, because there's not a black and white answer as to whether the federal law trumps the state laws in this matter, especially now that they've essentially abandoned their power to enforce it as it applies to state legal marijuana. As in literally Congress has forbade the justice department from using their funding to pursue anything having to do with state legal weed (which includes the ATF by the way). For the supremacy clause to apply, likely the supreme court would have to argue that Congress fully intended to preclude the possibility of states having their own medical programs, which would be a VERY tough roe to hoe, especially in this political environment. Especially since the federal government has had its own medical marijuana programs in the past, eroding the very foundation of the scheduling in the first place, which was based on the assumption that it had no medical value whatsoever.</p><p></p><p>But you don't have to take my word for it. The banks who do business with state dispensaries? IF you're right, and state medical cannabis is in fact illegal, those executives are committing enough felonies to land them in prison for many, many decades. Do you honestly think their legal counsel would even for one second think about signing off on that if there were a snowball's chance they would ever be prosecuted? I think not.</p><p></p><p>And with the billions of dollars in taxes at stake, do you really think the states will tolerate having the legality of their programs challenged? As already pointed out, if the federal government even begins to tug at that thread, they will bring down upon themselves the biggest legal shitstorm of the most epic proportions ever seen. 75% of states and DC. Hundreds of organizations with thousands of members who run multimillion dollar operations (and who have a vested interest in not spending decades in prison). Multibillionaires and their hedge funds who are heavily invested in the industry. Not to mention all the congressmen who are undoubtedly profiting from the industry in one way or another. You have no concept of the power and money that backs this thing.</p><p></p><p>Like I said, WE LOST. It's over. Finito. The fat lady has not only sung, she's gone hoarse.</p><p></p><p>And while I would greatly prefer people didn't smoke pot for their own good, I'm not about to alienate an entire group upon whose coattails we can hitch our wagon. They're many, they have a lot of political power and social capital at the moment, and they have a culture of distrust and outright hostility towards the government and its regulations. These are people and organizations who know all too well what happens when the government has too much power, so they're predisposed to be sympathetic to our cause. By continuing to alienate them and spread absurd misinformation as fact, you are hurting our chances of gaining cultural normalcy within our own society.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JR777, post: 3553432, member: 45725"] If you don't understand it yet then I can't explain it to you. It's legal on a state level but illegal on a federal level, so whether that person who's a legal state user is an "illegal user" or not is entirely uncertain. I recommend you research supremacy clause and desuetude, because there's not a black and white answer as to whether the federal law trumps the state laws in this matter, especially now that they've essentially abandoned their power to enforce it as it applies to state legal marijuana. As in literally Congress has forbade the justice department from using their funding to pursue anything having to do with state legal weed (which includes the ATF by the way). For the supremacy clause to apply, likely the supreme court would have to argue that Congress fully intended to preclude the possibility of states having their own medical programs, which would be a VERY tough roe to hoe, especially in this political environment. Especially since the federal government has had its own medical marijuana programs in the past, eroding the very foundation of the scheduling in the first place, which was based on the assumption that it had no medical value whatsoever. But you don't have to take my word for it. The banks who do business with state dispensaries? IF you're right, and state medical cannabis is in fact illegal, those executives are committing enough felonies to land them in prison for many, many decades. Do you honestly think their legal counsel would even for one second think about signing off on that if there were a snowball's chance they would ever be prosecuted? I think not. And with the billions of dollars in taxes at stake, do you really think the states will tolerate having the legality of their programs challenged? As already pointed out, if the federal government even begins to tug at that thread, they will bring down upon themselves the biggest legal shitstorm of the most epic proportions ever seen. 75% of states and DC. Hundreds of organizations with thousands of members who run multimillion dollar operations (and who have a vested interest in not spending decades in prison). Multibillionaires and their hedge funds who are heavily invested in the industry. Not to mention all the congressmen who are undoubtedly profiting from the industry in one way or another. You have no concept of the power and money that backs this thing. Like I said, WE LOST. It's over. Finito. The fat lady has not only sung, she's gone hoarse. And while I would greatly prefer people didn't smoke pot for their own good, I'm not about to alienate an entire group upon whose coattails we can hitch our wagon. They're many, they have a lot of political power and social capital at the moment, and they have a culture of distrust and outright hostility towards the government and its regulations. These are people and organizations who know all too well what happens when the government has too much power, so they're predisposed to be sympathetic to our cause. By continuing to alienate them and spread absurd misinformation as fact, you are hurting our chances of gaining cultural normalcy within our own society. [/QUOTE]
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