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Michael Hastings will not be down for breakfast... Guy that brought down Mchrystal
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<blockquote data-quote="SMS" data-source="post: 2224342" data-attributes="member: 42"><p>Oh I hear you. I understand that it is certainly <em>possible</em> he was targetted in some political murder conspiracy. I'm just saying that nothing that has been presented so far moves it into the <em>probable</em> category. The two main assertions of proof from our mechanic-crime scene-vehicle borne explosives experts is that:</p><p></p><p>A) Engines do not separate from vehicles </p><p>B) Cars do not catch fire as a result of crashes </p><p></p><p>Equals "he was murdered".</p><p></p><p>The only problem with that is: </p><p></p><p>A) Engines do separate from vehicles quite frequently in high speed crashes, and in some cars they are specifically designed to do that.</p><p>B) Cars do catch fire as a result of impact, especially in high speed crashes. High speed impact (and multiple impact, notice he hit at least one other object before coming to rest on the tree) come with increased chance of gas tank rupture. </p><p></p><p>I've had to participate in many post-incident investigations, and one thing I learned is that whatever you <em>think</em> the scene is telling you might be completely wrong. </p><p></p><p>For instance: Just because the car came to rest on the tree, doesn't mean the impact with the tree caused the engine to come loose, and the final resting position of the car does not mean that is the angle the car actually hit the tree. Additionally, the severed fire hydrant yards away gives indication that he hit at least one other object. Did he hit anything else? At what angle? Could impacting another object at an angle at over 100MPH cause the engine to break free and travel down the road? Etc...</p><p></p><p>There's a science to accident investigation, and I don't think any of us are qualified to make assertions of fact based off a youtube video....except the fact that we don't have all the facts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SMS, post: 2224342, member: 42"] Oh I hear you. I understand that it is certainly [I]possible[/I] he was targetted in some political murder conspiracy. I'm just saying that nothing that has been presented so far moves it into the [I]probable[/I] category. The two main assertions of proof from our mechanic-crime scene-vehicle borne explosives experts is that: A) Engines do not separate from vehicles B) Cars do not catch fire as a result of crashes Equals "he was murdered". The only problem with that is: A) Engines do separate from vehicles quite frequently in high speed crashes, and in some cars they are specifically designed to do that. B) Cars do catch fire as a result of impact, especially in high speed crashes. High speed impact (and multiple impact, notice he hit at least one other object before coming to rest on the tree) come with increased chance of gas tank rupture. I've had to participate in many post-incident investigations, and one thing I learned is that whatever you [I]think[/I] the scene is telling you might be completely wrong. For instance: Just because the car came to rest on the tree, doesn't mean the impact with the tree caused the engine to come loose, and the final resting position of the car does not mean that is the angle the car actually hit the tree. Additionally, the severed fire hydrant yards away gives indication that he hit at least one other object. Did he hit anything else? At what angle? Could impacting another object at an angle at over 100MPH cause the engine to break free and travel down the road? Etc... There's a science to accident investigation, and I don't think any of us are qualified to make assertions of fact based off a youtube video....except the fact that we don't have all the facts. [/QUOTE]
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