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<blockquote data-quote="Perplexed" data-source="post: 1578736" data-attributes="member: 7157"><p>I have to disagree with the bolded text. If the Waffen-SS, the military arm of the SS organization, was <em>directly</em> responsible for the extermination of Jews, Poles, Gypsies, and other "undesirable" peoples, then you could make the same case that the entire U.S. Army is directly responsible for the depredations that took place at My Lai, Abu Ghraib, etc. The Waffen-SS formations <strong>by and large</strong> did not actively take part in any systemic or structured actions to round up civilians and ship them to concentration camps or just shoot them; such actions were left to a separate and independent formation of the SS, called the Totenkopfverbande, which would follow in the wake of the Waffen-SS's advances (or pull back before the retreat of the same). Yes, the Waffen-SS as an entity was a highly politically-motivated formation dedicated in theory to unstinting service to Adolf Hitler, and the philosophies espoused by many of its members were unpopular with members of the Wehrmacht and other non-SS formations, and yes, individual units of the Waffen-SS did take part in atrocities such as at Oradour-Sur-Glane and Malmedy. Whole Waffen-SS divisions also took part in anti-partisan operations which resulted in war crimes being perpetuated against the local civilian populations (especially in the Balkans). However, I'd argue that the majority of the Waffen-SS formations were not <em>directly</em> involved in such actions. I do think that Adolf Hitler and his regime were a stain on the history of mankind, and much of what was done in the name of the Third Reich was appalling on a monstrous scale; however, to say that the Waffen-SS in its entirety was "directly responsible for [the] systematic murder of 20 million CIVILIANS" is, IMHO, not entirely true.</p><p></p><p>Man, we sure got way off the OT.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Perplexed, post: 1578736, member: 7157"] I have to disagree with the bolded text. If the Waffen-SS, the military arm of the SS organization, was [I]directly[/I] responsible for the extermination of Jews, Poles, Gypsies, and other "undesirable" peoples, then you could make the same case that the entire U.S. Army is directly responsible for the depredations that took place at My Lai, Abu Ghraib, etc. The Waffen-SS formations [B]by and large[/B] did not actively take part in any systemic or structured actions to round up civilians and ship them to concentration camps or just shoot them; such actions were left to a separate and independent formation of the SS, called the Totenkopfverbande, which would follow in the wake of the Waffen-SS's advances (or pull back before the retreat of the same). Yes, the Waffen-SS as an entity was a highly politically-motivated formation dedicated in theory to unstinting service to Adolf Hitler, and the philosophies espoused by many of its members were unpopular with members of the Wehrmacht and other non-SS formations, and yes, individual units of the Waffen-SS did take part in atrocities such as at Oradour-Sur-Glane and Malmedy. Whole Waffen-SS divisions also took part in anti-partisan operations which resulted in war crimes being perpetuated against the local civilian populations (especially in the Balkans). However, I'd argue that the majority of the Waffen-SS formations were not [I]directly[/I] involved in such actions. I do think that Adolf Hitler and his regime were a stain on the history of mankind, and much of what was done in the name of the Third Reich was appalling on a monstrous scale; however, to say that the Waffen-SS in its entirety was "directly responsible for [the] systematic murder of 20 million CIVILIANS" is, IMHO, not entirely true. Man, we sure got way off the OT. [/QUOTE]
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